About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

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    ACTUAL MEANING OF "EXTERMINATE"


    Since there was no genocidal German agenda and no written order from Hitler for the destruction of Europe's Jews exists (1), holocaustians deliberately mistranslate or misuse what the Germans really meant when they spoke of relocating Europe's Jews.

    Most students of this tragic era know that the German Zionist Federation and Germany's National Socialists worked together to relocate Germany's Jews to Palestine under the Haavara Agreement however after war broke out this became impossible to do directly.
    Therefore many Jews either migrated to the East or Southeast and then to Palestine or other countries that would accept them.
    At any rate, when the Germans of the 1930s and 1940s talked of "exterminating" Jews, they meant it in its earlier, 16th century sense of the word:

    *exterminate (v.)

    1540s, "drive away," from Latin exterminatus, past participle of exterminare "drive out, expel, put aside, drive beyond boundaries," also, in Late Latin "destroy," from phrase ex termine "beyond the boundary," from ex "out of" (see ex-) + termine, ablative of termen "boundary, limit, end" (see terminus).
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/exterminate



    (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
     
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    While my German is a little rusty, I was also able to read the German of Goethe's time as well as Middle German.

    German, like all languages changes over time and the English translation of the German word "ausrotten" is "to root out", not "exterminate"

    The translation in your "youtube" is deliberately dishonest; see for yourself:

    German to English translation
    https://www.translate.com/german-english

    English: "root out". =. German. "ausrotten"
     
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    Don't you ever wonder how the standard holocaust narrative can be true since you haven't been able to refute even one of the facts I've presented that prove that the SHN is false.

    To me, it seems at least irrational to blindly believe in something when you really can't articulate the reasons why you believe it.
    There's simply no reason to believe that the Germans killed about 11 million people when there are so few human remains and so many fraudulent stories:

    1. “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    2. "Another “Holocaust survivor” exposed as a fraud"
    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/another-holocaust-survivor-exposed-as-a-fraud/



    3. "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html



    4. “Fake smoke added to 1944 photo to 'prove' Holocaust crematorium story. The stunt was so blatant that the Simon Wiesenthal Center even had to remove it!”
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/fake/SWCsmokeFake.html


    (5) “Just Another Auschwitz Liar”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/19981024munch.php
     
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    Upon closer examination, many of the things you've written have turned out to be false so it would be helpful if if you would supplement your claims with a credible source.

    It is simply not possible for millions of Jews to have been killed during WW 2 for 2 reasons, one is the absence of mass graves in any of the locations where they are claimed to exist(1) and the other is the significant growth of the world's Jewish population during the WW 2 era according to Jewish sources. (2)


    (1) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
    EXCERPT
    "The Bottom Line"

    "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED


    (2) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
     
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    Years before Eichmann was detained by the Israelis, he admitted to the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis and their allies.

    He admitted this to a Dutch reporter.
     
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    In these interviews, Eichmann admits to the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazis and their allies.
     
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    Adolf Hitler, to the Reichstag in 1939:

    "If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe".
     
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    If Eichmann had claimed to have eaten 1,000 Jewish babies would you believe that too?

    Firstly you have provided no evidence that Eichmaann said anything (i.e. a link) and, secondly, what Eichmann may have boasted is not evidence of the facts.

    Please face facts.

    I have already shown in my Post # 2629 and previous Posts that there is absolutely no evidence that the WW 2 era Germans could have killed millions of Jews.
     
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    I provided links to the Life Magazine article that details his interview with Sassen.

    Read the article. Its fascinating.

    You can of course doubt it's authenticity, but you have no factual nor rational basis to do so.
     
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    VAGUE RHETORIC IS NOT EVIDENCE


    Unlike Stalin, Eisenhower, Churchill etc, there are no written orders from Hitler for the mass murder of anyone.(1)

    Assuming this cherry picked quote has not been deliberately mistranslated, it is still not evidence that Germany's National Socialist (NS) government had any sort of genocidal agenda. It is simply a vague prediction of may happen to Europe's Jews if there is another World War since anti Jewish sentiment was widespread throughout Europe and especially in Poland.(2)

    Even in America in 1938, 54% of Americans agreed that: "the persecution of Jews in Europe has been partly their own fault," with 11% believing it was "entirely" their own fault." (3)

    As much as the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (4), (5) and its complicit MSM would like us to believe that Hitler hated all Jews, a more complete and honest examination shows that Hitler's sentiments toward Jews was more complex.

    I believed that he feared the Bolshevik Jews that brought down the Russian monarchy and comprised 80% of the early Communist leadership (6) but liked other Jews(7) and even maintained a writing relationship with little Rosa Nienau
    who shared Hitler's birthday and happened to be Jewish.(8)

    At any rate, Hitler could not have hated all Jews but so much because there were several high ranking Jews in Hitler's N.S. Party(9) and he awarded many of the 150,000 Jews who served in his military some of Germany's highest honors. (10)


    (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (2) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/



    (3) “American Public Opinion and the Holocaust”
    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/232949/american-public-opinion-holocaust.aspx

    EXCERPT “A remarkable survey conducted in April 1938 found that more than half of Americans blamed Europe's Jews for their own treatment at the hands of the Nazis. This poll showed that 54% of Americans agreed that "the persecution of Jews in Europe has been partly their own fault," with 11% believing it was "entirely" their own fault." CONTINUED


    (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (5)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED



    (6) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


    (7) “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED


    (8) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941



    (9)“List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (10) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Yawn...

    The Wannsee Conference shows millions of Jews in eastern Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Romania, western Russia, which were ruled by the Nazis and their Fascist allies for several years. At least 9 million Jews under Nazi or Fascist control during the height of Nazi power.

    Game....set....match.
     
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    Reposted for truth.
     
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    HC deniers often claim that they're able to debunk the "Big Holocaust Hoax". But in fact, they never did. It's simply impossible to accuse all contemporary witnesses as liars and all documents as forgeries.

    HC deniers think others are as stupid as they are themselves. But they are wrong. Their attempts to create fake history are too badly done.
    :)

    That there are not many human remains can be explained. And the few fraudulent stories are meaningless against the huge amount of evidence for the Holocaust.
     
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    "To root out" means "find and get rid of harmful or dangerous persons or things".
    And that's exactly how Nazis saw the Jews and what they did to them. :(

    Mass murder was indeed not their first choice to get rid of the Jews. But it was the easiest way. So they decided to do so. The point is, that Nazis viewed Jews as non-human beings.
     
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    Grau will say that the Nazis didn't persecute all Jews. This is true, as a tiny minority did get special treatment due to military necessity or close relationships with Nazi officials. But most Jews were treated as inhuman.
     
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    This is one thing HC deniers will never understand. Although Nazis defined Jews as an evil dangerous race, they accepted a few Jews as humans and good guys.

    Nazis were masters of Doublethink.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
     
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    Grau once quoted someone who stated that 11 million German civilians were killed by the Allies. Of course he provided no evidence of such human remains. Oh, the irony.
     
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    That might be true regarding the air raids against German cities. But these served a military goal: to weaken Nazi Germany and to win the war!

    Area bombing wasn't a war crime at this time. I read somewhere that the bombing attacks on Dresden saved many German Jews from being deported to Hitler's extermination camps.

     
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    I'm sure that anyone following this thread is bound to notice the desperate degree you go to to evade answering my questions and facing the facts that I've both written and supported.

    Certainly, I can account for the millions of German POWs and civilians who were murdered.

    They're still being discovered in over 40 countries or lost in unmarked graves because, unlike holocaust victims, no one has really bothered to look for them:

    “Seven decades after second World War, Germany is still burying its dead”

    “Decades after they fell, dead soldiers are still being found and given burials”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...r-germany-is-still-burying-its-dead-1.2195908

    AND

    "Expulsion of Ethnic Germans after World War II (1945)"
    https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-horrific-genocides-in-history.php

    EXCERPT "However, the forced displacement of some 14 million ethnic Germans and allied Slavs from Soviet Russia, from occupied areas of Eastern and Central Europe in the aftermath of World War II, has to go down as something pretty close to genocide, especially when one considers that between half a million and two million of them didn’t survive the journey.

    While most of these deaths were from famine and disease, many German civilians were also executed outright, or sent to internment and labor camps by the Soviets."CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, all the German work camps have been searched thoroughly and only a relatively few human remains have been found:

    (1) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    (2) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED



    (3) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    EXCERPT
    The Bottom Line

    "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED

    So, if "millions of Jews" died in German work camps, where are the remains.

    By the way, even a thorough cremation leaves bones and teeth........ where are they?
     
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    so, you have no evidence that 9 to 15 million Germans were murdered by the Allies after WW2?

    figures.

    :p
     
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    So you admit that you willingly and repeatedly posted a claim of mass-murder that cannot be verified with ANY evidence?

    Gotcha.
     
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    Holocaustianity is every bit as much of a nefarious religion / cult as Nazism and Communism
    Grossly exaggerating crimes allegedly committed by the Germans for the purpose of extracting more and more money is not only slanderous and stupid, its criminal:

    1. "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    2. "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    3. "Holocaust `memoir' is a fraud"
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/holocaust-memoir-is-a-fraud-1.238917


    4. "Former Holocaust Claims Conference Director And Two Recruiters Convicted In $57.3 Million Fraud On Organization That Makes Reparations To Victims Of Nazi Persecution"
    All 31 Defendants Charged In Connection With This Fraudulent Scheme Have Now Been Convicted
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ctor-and-two-recruiters-convicted-573-million
     
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    The irony of Holocaust Denial is that its often propagated by people who hate Jews and feel they committed terrible crimes against humanity and Germany, and deserved severe penalties for these "crimes".
     

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