ACA saves 50,000 lives

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  1. Grizz

    Grizz New Member

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    Feel free to factually demonstrate that 50K projection is incorrect. In regard to your statement, yes, it COULD be true; it could also NOT be true. What you did is guess and opine; what the referenced article did was to investigate and put an actual number to it.
     
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    Your attempt to minimize what is a terrible, significant situation is noteworthy, but when this doesn't occur in most other developed nations, or they even show declining death rate for this particular class, then that's just really bad news.
     
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    1) Perhaps you have a reading disability, so I'll try and help.
    the OP claimed, "Forbes reports that the ACA has saved 50,000 lives". That's false. Forbes reported, "the Obama administration today said 50,000 fewer patients died in hospitals". They also stated "due in part to initiatives woven into the Affordable Care Act", which, of course, in and of itself debunks the OP's claim that the ACA saved 50,000 lives. But beyond that, it's patently false to claim 50,000 lives have been saved based on a report that states "50,000 fewer patients died in hospitals".
    Hope that helps.
     
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    more people having access to health care is a good thing and only a sociopath would disagree with that
     
  5. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    0.00134% increase in anything over 15 years is no big deal. I'm sure, America is way ahead in some other health categories over other countries.
     
  6. evince

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    on what factual basis?
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    No. Not at all. Without Obamacare, our President claims there would be 50,000 more deaths. There is a huge difference between claimed deaths and actual deaths. Would hospitals have done something about MRSA with or without Obamacare? Of course they would and they have been all along. So why have our President claim the ACA is responsible for something that was happening anyways? It seems rather untruthful to me. But believing the claims of the Liar of the Year seems to put people into a special myopia category that they will never recover from. Perhaps if the administration said the ACA has caused several million new cases of political myopia would be a more accurate statement.
     
  9. evince

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    this country does not agree with you



    women will controil their own bodies no matter how much you want them slaves to your ideas
     
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    Well then the stats haven't been done yet for 2014 to now so your statements are not facts. My link was from 1940 to 2013 on death stats.
     
  11. evince

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    people not dying for lack of care is a good thing


    Only a sociopath would disagree
     
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    If 12 billion was saved in healthcare cost, this only means these people never used healthcare services.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The baby is not part of the woman's body. It's a separate entity with rights of it's own.
    Your lack of intellectual understanding of that fact is what condemns you to trying to rationalize murder.
     
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    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol the left has you so blinded. I kinda feel bad.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Washington and State Capitals calculate savings differently from me and you. Say, this year they budgeted an increase in spending of 5%, and the next year only of 3%. That means, next year we'll be saving 2%.
     
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    katzgar Banned

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    this must be what you mean...

    Dead is alive; alive is dead. With the ACA, there'd be 50K more deaths; without it, 50K more people live to see another day. That, to me, is "lives saved"

    is that right?
     
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    Until I see a reduction in the number of deaths after 2012, I might consider what you stated but until then the verdict is still out.
     
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    Is it demonetization if one simply notes a daemon? .Also the number, 50,000 was simply made up, an imaginary number..
     
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    again, not true
     
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    I respect your spirit but you are fighting a losing battle, an increase in health insurance is obviously going to save lives.
     
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    If iut cant survive outside of the woman than its NOT separate.

    You don't get to stick your fingers in peoples FLESH for your myth laced religions
     
  22. Grizz

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    :roflol:

    No help at all. However, Google was (and I suggest you learn how to do a search):

    The agency is a part of the federal Department of Health and Human Services, and its report takes a preliminary look at a program called Partnership for Patients that was created by the health care law. The program aims to get 3,700 hospitals -- along with physicians, nurses, employers, patients, government officials and others -- to work together to cut preventable hospital-acquired conditions by 40 percent between 2010 and 2014 and to reduce hospital readmissions by 20 percent over the same period.

    The report found that "approximately 50,000 fewer patients died in the hospital as a result of the reduction in HACs (hospital-acquired conditions), and approximately $12 billion in health care costs were saved from 2010 to 2013." This occurred "during a period of concerted attention by hospitals throughout the country to reduce adverse events," the report said.

    Independent experts said the report is credible.


    I hope you keep a couple issues of Forbes available in your bathroom in case you're out of regular paper.

    Perhaps in some categories. However, overall, we're behind. Sorry.
     
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    just like you republicans crash the economy on purpose you want our healthcare to not work for the people
     
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    Probably a result of the bad economy and depression and suicide

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    Me as well when I go to the hospital
     
  25. Penrod

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    I get it Im still here thanks to the Doctors and nurses. Not because of insurance. They treat you with or without it.

    Like I said Nixon was a great progressive president if you like that sort of thing
     

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