Oh gosh , I wonder if the Volt has any of those apple chips ? Does that mean a pc guy can set one on fire ? well , for one thing , if GM was to go belly up , it would cost him the re-election , and the GOP swiftboaters know that . by attacking GM , they are attacking Obama , and whacking the Unions as well . It's a 3 for 1 opportunity for the ' Party of NO ' when did you ever know of a politician to pass up such a sweet sucker punch in an election year ? I'm not saying that's why they are doing that , but in almost every post on this thread , the Volt's failure is linked to the GM bailout by Obama. In my view , they are two seperate issues . One is the Safety of the car , and the other is the GM bailout . they are related issues , yes , I agree , but there is a vehemence in most of the posts that belies an ulterior motive , that is , unless they all just absolutely hate General Motors products . . . . . . .
Truth hurts eh? Except the Volt is not a good car. Obama has had to up the subsidy and GE is going to force it's employees to drive them just to try and perk of sales as they have fallen flat and no where near the 45,000 they want to sell next year. What car company would be successful if the government is will to spend over $200,000 of taxpayer money per car to get people to buy one of them.
Lets see if you have the guts: Answer me this one that ALL of you lefties keep ignoring. WHY does the UAW still have a $1 billion dollar strike fund that went untouched while we were paying out 40 billion? where is their contribution? Until you answer that you are nothing but a propagandist.
Green energy is a scam. Obama is a Marxist, and he plays his games. America wants fossil fuels. They're the best value, along with nuclear.
You malign your poor mailman for his efforts at self-preservation. I am sure after having been bitten numerous times by dogs whose owners claim "never bite anyone", he figured out that if you FEED the dogs that "never bite anyone", these dogs ACTUALLY don't bite HIM!
I wish it was done and over but it isn't. We're still subsidzing the union and will be until President Obama is out of office and on the stump with President Carter.
Wow, a news flash from Marine1. Chevy Volt buyers no longer get $6,500 from the U.S. government, GM has paid back the billions they got not from more government money but from what they've earned, and they're paying taxes again. Oh, right, none of that is true.
You are right, they get $10K now. http://news.investors.com/article/6...administration-raises-chevy-volt-subsidy-.htm
He drives a mail truck....not that a dog (or cat?) wouldn't attack a man in a truck, but what are the odds?
You are saying there is no mailbox location, obstacle, yard, or delivery (like a signature required, or a package) where he would need to get out of the truck and be vulnerable? I will tell you an experience of mine: TWICE, while tossing newspapers out the back of a pickup truck while my brother drove, the SAME dog came running out, leapt, and ripped my leg open with his teeth as he went flying by. The odds are quite good, especially with people getting vicious dogs and attack training them by evil and cruel (and stupid) techniques.
Sure your right. It's also not true any of that came from me. Obviously some on here have a hard time reading what's written.
How do you know, ever driven it? According to Consumer's Report it has the highest owner appreciation of any car on the road. So who are you to make that judgement? GE is going to (force) their employees to drive a company car? Ya, I'm sure they're crying their eyes out having to do that. You clowns will come up with everything under the sun to trash the car and drive GM under, throwing away billions and putting hundreds of thousands out of work, just so you can get back at Obama and the unions. You guys have put Party before yout country. You can't teach stupid.
You obviously don't understand how business works...no offense. GM sold 20% of all American cars/trucks went it went bankrupt - are those people that bought those cars/trucks going to stop buying cars just because GM went under? Of course not. They will just by other brands. And other manufacturers will just ramp up production to meet that demand. And those brands will have to build a huge portion of those vehicles in America for PR purposes (many GM buyers simply will not buy non-American cars/trucks). And remember, not all GM production is in America anyway. So what will these other car makers do? Built brand new factories and hire new people at HUGE cost and time spent? Or take the empty GM plants, re-tool them for their models and re-hire the existing workers and save a bundle of both time and money? Plus, the parts of GM that were profitable would probably survive with different ownership. It is the way corporations work under bankruptcy...they prune the dead wood and come out leaner. I guarantee you that had GM died, not one US auto job (in terms of total numbers) would have been lost when the dust had finally settled that did not deserve to be lost due to poor management or bloated worker pay partly due to ridiculous union demands. And the U.S. taxpayers would not have been out the $13+ billion they will be from propping up GM/Chrysler.
Don't have to drive one to know, there are lots of bad cars that have existed that I don't have to drive to know they are. No on who foolishly bought one and would never admit it's not worth the money. No a Volt, if they don't drive a Volt they wont have their travel expenses reimbursed. If you are going to hurl insults in an attempt to stand by your position this will end. No one has to come up with anything, it was thrown in our face. Cost the taxpayer more than $200,000 for each one sold and you think it a good car. Throwing away billions of tax payer dollars to keep a few employed. Well let's do that for the auto companies down here or are northern union workers the elite? They can demand taxpayers keep them employed against their will. OK kiss off then.
I am very much aware that if GM goes out people will buy other makes. They all won't be buying Fords either. The foreign makes will pick up most of them. Yes, most will be built here, but the profit will go abroad. Billions upon billions will be taken out of our economy. These foreign companies won't be picking up all the parts companies serving GM and Chrysler. Many of them will go out of business. The cities that make parts for GM and Chrysler will also be hurt. Like the Chevy plant in Toledo. Then lets look at that 35 billion dollars GM still owes us. You can kiss that good by along with all the people who have bought their stock. There is nothing good that can come out of letting GM and Chrysler go under now. Nothing.
Come now people have been swearing by Consumer's Report. Using it to tell us how much better foreign made cars are than American. Now that an American car gets a good review, you guys don't want to believe it. You can't have it both ways my friend. Tell you what, you get me some employees from GE that's complaining of having to drive a Volt and then I'll give your statement a little bit of credit. But not untill then. Go buy a hybrid Toyota and you'll get a rebate too. Funny you worry about a few thousands dollars they give in rebates to buy the car, but you don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the billions we lose if GM goes under. Don't make a lick of sense to me.
I guarantee you most of the cars built to replace GM production would have been U.S. owned. Both Pontiac and Saturn had offers from Americans to buy them up...but WH-owned GM axed/sabotaged those deals. And Chevrolet, Chevy/GMC trucks and Cadillac all probably would have survived more or less as is...but under new American management. If Americans wanted to buy Pontiac and Saturn, then there can be little doubt some other American would have wanted the far more successful Chevy and Chevy truck divisions. (and I assume Cadillac). And even if profits would have gone overseas...then tough. Survival of the fittest...that is how business works and SHOULD work. If the only way American jobs can survive is to be subsidized by the government, then let them die. Maybe you want a socialist run, government subsidized U.S. economy...NOT ME. That is NOT what America was built on and NOT what (IMO) America is about. America is about FREE ENTERPRISE (or as close to it as possible these days).
Obviously you have a job and your not worrying about those that would lose theirs. Your not worried about losing 35 billion if GM goes under. Your not worrying about the billions that would be going out of the country. I want a strong America. I want Americans to have jobs. I could give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Japan, China, Germany or Mexico. Americans is my concern. I'm not willing to see American companies as vital as GM go under. I don't want Toyota, VW, or some Chinese company coming along and buying it up. I specifically don't want to see GM and Chrysler go under just because some half wit Republicans want to get even with Obama and the unions and that's exactly what's behind all of this no matter what any of you say. I'm a Republican. I have listen to all this crap and know where it's coming from. My country comes before my Party and it should for everyone.
I am self-employed. I think both parties are PATHETIC and I think partisan politics is destroying America. And to me, my honor and what I think is right and wrong comes before my country. If the only way any nation can survive is dishonorably...LET IT DIE. And there is NOTHING honorable (IMO) in robbing money from future generations just so the present generation can keep up the lifestyle they have become accustomed to. You want to deficit spend during a major, declared war OR to help those that are starving or homeless or dying of easily preventable illnesses/conditions? Fine with me. But not for ANY OTHER REASON.
Maybe if you spent more time tending to business rather than trying to tear down the US's most iconic company on the internet, it would be so hard. Just sayin'
My father told me once all you really have in life is your good name and to always protect it. Well my name on these boards is Marine 1. I protect it by being honest in what I say. Even though I am a Republican, that isn't going to make me do something I know in my heart is wrong, just because my Party is for it. What Republicans are doing here is wrong. It will cost us billions and thousands of lost jobs. There is no way I can back them on this. Obama is wrong pushing unions on companies struggling against foreign competition. He was wrong in suing Boeing for building a plant in a right to work state. That will only drive future companies out of the country instead of moving South. I get pissed when people follow Party policy even when they know it's wrong. Your country should come before policy. They are thinking more about holding and getting power than they think about you and I. They are only using us to get what they want and we're stupid enough to follow.
