Ala. Gov. signs tough immigration law

How is requiring ID illegal?

 

Showing ID? Because it makes it easier to determine who's legal and who isn't. Just because some states have been dumb enough to give illegals driver's licenses doesn't negate the worth in using a license from other states as proof of ID.

 

So every driver should carry a driver's license? Isn't that already a law? If not a license, then a substitute that would also prove legality. What's the point of this part of the law?

 

The new law is illegal, which is why it will never become a law.

Because it's a complete violation of the Fourth Amendment. Read:

Police must detain? So if I'm a Hispanic-looking guy and decide to take $5 and walk four houses down to the convenience store and grab a gallon of milk, a cop has the authority to question my legality of being in the state. And since there's no reason to bring an ID for a 5 minute trip to grab some milk, I didn't bring it. Therefore, the cop is required to arrest me?

HELL TO THE NAW.

If nothing else, Alabama had better hope that this never takes effect, because the lawsuits this will produce if it does take effect will be so numerous and so massive that it will completely bankrupt the state to pay the settlements the wronged will be awarded.

 

It is racism, there is no other explanation for such behavior.

 

The law also states that things like housing should involve citizenship checks. The context (as far as I understand it) is that a driver's license can be used as proof in housing checks in addition to transport queries.

 

Because at this time the police don't check residency when you are pulled over. They are just legislating something that is done in almost every other country all ready and should be done here.

 

I wouldn't consider checking someone's identity for housing, employment, transportation or education to be "unreasonable." I don't know how the courts would say that either, since we do plenty of that sort of thing when applying for a firearm permit, for example.

I don't see where the law requires that specifically. It seems to refer mostly to transactions involving employment, housing, transport, and schooling.

I'm not so sure of that. Arizona is going through a lot of crap, but I haven't heard of any major lawsuits yet.

 

Even the way you state it I find it totally unacceptable. There is no rule that you have to be able to speak English. It is no grounds for suspicion.

 

You could call it profiling, but when 99% of the suspects are one race, you can be sure that one race will be the focus.

 

I bet the native americans thought the spanish and english were pretty illegal, but that didnt stop them. My point is, this country is very hypocritical on a few topics, and this is one of them. Every easterner has in their family tree, somebody that came here from another land without going through some half ass payed off customs or immigration office. Why are we forgetting this? Were making enemies all over this country, because believe it or not, alot of "illegal immigrants" under the age of 20 are brought here against their will for a profit of another human being, and we turn the other cheek, but god forbid some mexicans want to come to this country and are willing to work for less than they're worth to put food on the table. I guess me in my state of ignorance thought that working to support your family was the "American Dream". Why don't we go rescue some syrians and libyans and bring them here to stick them in the already over populated ghettos. Its what we did with Jews for PR after all.

 

You see no difference in walking down the street and trying to obtain a deadly weapon?

 

It's not just checking ID. It's arresting for not having it on you. In effect, you have to prove you belong here, or "guilty until proven otherwise."

It will never stand.

That's because 1070 has been blocked and has yet to become an active law.

 

That's not what I said. I'm saying that if the precedent has already been set that checking your ID for a given transaction is legal (a transaction involving the 2nd Amendment), then I don't see how the 4th Amendment would block these other checks.

 

I think the Native Americans are a perfect example of why controlling immigration is necessary.

We should be fairly open about visas and green cards, but the important thing is that we have identification of everyone here. This way, they can be held accountable for the appropriate taxes and laws.

 

You might be right that it will get blocked. If it does, however, it will be an overreaction by the courts -- an unfortunately typical overreaction.

 

I agree with you 100% about that, but theres always a but, and this particular one is the one of corruption. I think that regulating immigration has to be done by very professional people, not somebody who got the job because her cousin had a friend that worked there, how would you feel if you got denied a visa because someone not qualified to make a decision whether someone is a good fit for this country was in a particularly bad mood that day.

 

That's a problem present in every country. We'll always have to vigilantly hold government accountable, but that's a separate issue.

If you think we're restrictive, you should see most of Europe.

 

Lol i dont even think i want to know. I'm just waiting for the violent revolt against the government and the fed : / maybe ill move to Greece

 

Eh... Greece is already at the revolt stage. Canada would be a better choice. Canada also seems to be the most open country immigration-wise. They're the only country with a higher immigration rate per capita than us.

 

True, Greece is just a place i've always wanted to visit. My dreams of traveling the world are slowly dissolving with the way our country is headed, im 21 and have been working since i was 13, and i cant find a job Maybe when canada legalizes marijuana in some sort of way ill go be a grower, till then, im stuck suffering with my fellow americans.

 

If you're willing to move (and willing to deal with terrible winters), North Dakota has a ton of jobs right now.

 

Lol im a Louisiana boy, so a winter that rough might try me, but its worth keeping in mind. Maybe ill open a bar in the clear waters, do it Jimmy Buffet style.

 

lol... good luck. I'd recommend my own state, but I think we're on the cusp of slowing down again. We grew a lot in the 90s and the last decade.

 

Meh, were gonna be involved in another middle eastern war sooner or later based on the news im listening to right now, this whole world is being sucked into a web of lies money and politics...whatever happened to starting a farm and providing for yourself in this world...(*)(*)(*)(*) oil