Although the withdrawal has shortcomings, I stand by Joe

so you're saying the agreement did not include the people? did Trump not care about them?

if Trump had a plan, what was it and why did he not pass it on to Biden during the peaceful transfer of power

Trump had no plan, he had 8 months to come up with a plan.... nada

 

So you and Biden would need someone to make you a hand written plan to know not to remove your troops and air support before evacuating Americans?

Well, that explains a lot now, doesn't it.

 

Trump set him free last year

"A Taliban Leader Emerges: Hunted, Jailed and Now Free"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-taliban-leader-emerges-hunted-jailed-and-now-free-11629154710

"He returns to power 20 years later after the U.S. lobbied for his release when the Trump administration launched talks with the Taliban. At the helm of the group’s political office in Doha, its de facto embassy, Mullah Baradar led talks with the U.S. that culminated in a deal to end America’s engagement in the 20-year war."

if this guy goes on a killing spree, that is all on Trump

 

Trump had no plan, had Trump worked on a plan when he signed the deal, we would of already been out of there, Trump blew it

that was 8 months lost time, we should have been getting people out

Trump put more effort into releasing the Taliban prisoners, then bringing our people home

 

If there was no plan, how did Taliban prisoners get released.
if there was no plan, how did 13,000 troops come home from Afghanistan.
If there was no plan, how come no American soldier was killed by the Taliban since February of 2020

You're all over the page, aren't you. lol
I guess I was right. You and Biden need little posted notes just to get through the day.
Would you like me to make you some posted notes on the agreement? Would that help you?

 

no plan to get the people out, none, zero...sad!

yes, Trump brought home 13,000 troops and left the people there with no plan to get them home

 

My point proves that Biden is competent.

This withdrawal is the most successful withdrawal on any that occurred for a war we lost.

Despite the shortcomings, and no one is saying it's perfect, but none in history are perfect.

This withdrawal is far more successful than Saigon.

The Middle East is a quagmire, and you are playing politics because you don't like Biden.

 

Pester someone else.

Afghanistan is a quagmire. **** happens.

He's doing a lot better than what happened in Saigon, way way way better.

 

You asserted that Biden recognized the failures and made corrections.

Which corrections are those? Because from what I can see there are still 10,000 Americans trapped in Afghanistan and his admin said that they’re on their own to get to the airport.... which has been surrounded by the taliban.

 

maybe those guys should have stayed to fight? or obeyed the soldiers trying to clear the runway? maybe if the afghans were concerned about their own women they would have respected a "women and children first" ethic?

 

And the left claims that Trump supporters are "cultists". LOL.

 

Pfffft lols based on what?

In Saigon the commies didn’t take the city with ten thousand Americans still trapped there. In Saigon they they waited until after the last Americans had been airlifted out to finish taking over.

In Afghanistan our ***** for a president cut and run leaving THOUSANDS of Americans trapped in country with no military support to deal with the ****ing taliban who will cut their heads off if they’re found.

WTF are you talking about this was better? At least in Vietnam the president and his party had enough brains and balls to not leave until the Americans were evac’d

 

You are talking about Obama, not Trump.

 

There are some seriously deluded leftists around here.

 

Short comings? Short comings??? Now there is an understatement for you. So big an understatement in fact it borders on being disingenuous. In fact, one suspects it will be used in future years as an example of how not to do a withdrawal. A five year old child could have done it better.

 

Of course it could have been handled better.

Of course Biden is also to blame (despite the bad advice he received; the Pentagon and intelligence agencies are also to blame but "the buck stops here" results in blame for Biden too - I find it incredible that nobody in the current administration said - "wait a moment, this won't work, we need more troops there until all the civilians are safely out, then and only then we can bring home the last soldiers"). The simple fact that the administration/Pentagon had to send in 1,000 additional soldiers to secure the withdrawal, shows that the withdrawal was poorly planned, poorly executed, and did not count on sufficient number of troops.

Of course previous presidents Bush, Obama, and Trump are also to blame (the latter for example not only negotiated with terrorists but prematurely brought the number of troops down to 2,500; the two former could have ended this war and could have abandoned hopes of nation building years, decades ago).

There is plenty of blame to go around and to pretend that Biden is exempt from it is partisan talk. All four of these presidents have blame to share, and this is so obvious that I find it unbelievable that someone might think otherwise (this includes Trump followers and Biden followers).

 

Agreed…. Here is a thought….. all the grown able bodied men should be left behind to fight for their country and make it great like American instead of bringing them here to make America another Afghanistan all over again.

 

Well, maybe Joe can find time to work on this once he returns from his vacation. I'm sure everyone agrees that this was the perfect time for Joe to go on vacation.

On another note, where is Kamala? She hasn't been seen in a week. I don't blame her. Lol!

And Jen "circle back" Psaki is, evidently, hiding under her desk as daily briefings have stopped.

But, yea, the Biden Administration is doing a FANTASTIC job on handling this pullout. Anyone who says otherwise is a far-right radical.

 

I clouding the British Parliament that damn hot bed of right wing loons
white supremacists...


Sarcasm off.

 

Bad advice? I wonder who was giving him this "bad advice"? The intel community and the embassy personnel seemed to have warned him about this. Who told him to ignore the intel, one wonders?

 

Probably his hand picked political commissars.

 

If you're going to quote me... quote me! So I know what you're talking about and in what context.

 

So you know nothing about the retreat in Saigon? Figures

Where the soldiers and embassy staff stayed behind while they evacuated Americans and south Vietnamese days before Saigon fell compared to Bidens plan of evacuating the Embassy and troops leaving Americans behind.

And nobody remembers Nixon, Spiro Agnew, and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger all MIA for a week and going on vacations during the crisis.

You should know your history before making fake statements. Not a good look.

 

If it were Trump
He wouldn't have even thought of evacuating the troops, air support, and embassy leaving 10,000 American behind
If it were Trump
He wouldn't go radio silent refusing to take calls from other world leaders
If it were Trump
He wouldn't go on vacation at camp David then run home to mommy for a long weekend to hide in his basement while America is in a crisis
If it were Trump
His VP and Secretary of State wouldn't go MIA
If it were Trump
Wouldn't refuse to take questions and make announcements to the country instead of leaving it all up to the Pentagon staff
If it were Trump
He wouldn't be held in contempt by UK Parliament
He wouldn't have the French, Britain's, and Germans going in to get their people out while commanding our forces to stay at the airport

He would do what he has done in the past. Execute the leader of their military and defend the embassy.

 

Yeah, you are clueless about the history of Saigon and the fact you can't dispute anything I posted says it all.