American ambassador in Germany Richard Grenell insults Germany just hours after taking office

Looks like they failed then, becauee not just Germany, the entire EU steps up and backs the Iran deal. EU commission president Junker even said that Trump shows how weak USA have become.

I´m actually proud that Merkel doesnt buy this **** and continues teh contract with Iran.

 

Trudeau would happily do likewise but Canada's economic ties with the US are too deep. He'll eventually give in, unless the backlash compromises another mandate.

 

Toss this bugger out and tell Washington to find another man.

 

the problem is if german company continue doing business with Iran, it will get sanction from US. so they are forced to choose between US vs Iran market.

 

The US calls it "With us or against us".

 

Thats no problem. Germany already sidelines sanctions by creating state owned companies just for the purpose of dealing with Iran and Russia.

Thats how we build the Nordstream 2 pipeline to Russia as well.

 

Not sure how that will actually play out. I always have to wait and see. ha ha.

Now IMO, we have since ww2 treated all but the UK as basically vassel states and our ties with the UK and the fact they seem to share our interests, given we replaced them as an empire due in part to ww2 is very strong, at least gov't to gov't.

I doubt that those western european nations view themselves as vassal states, for who would want to admit to it? But they have seemed to be very willing vassel states. IMO. But then they don't have to spend much of their tax money on defense either, even when they do pay their bills for nato. So, quite a sweetheart deal for those nato nations, even if we tell nato what to do.

 

Germany doesnt act submissive anymore since roughly 15 years and we now openly opposse american politics.

And since we blocked evry single US proposal in last 4 years, doesnt seem like "vassal" either.

 

As any bully tends to do. Yes, there are billions of humans who see the US as an imperialistic bully. And they fear our irresponsible, PNAC driven foreign policy. Our word is as good as a snowflake falling from a mississippi summer sky, and we are very proficient con men as well.

Perhaps one year, we will, by some great event, be forced into being a responsible, peace loving nation, that uses diplomacy over our CIA and military assets, and work hard for an enduring peace on this earth. While setting a very good example for all nations, driven by a sense of basic humanity and a moral compass. I will not live to see that and neither will anyone on this forum, IMO, but perhaps in the distant future we will see the US become what it can be. Instead of what it is.

 

Yes, germany showing some independence is and has happened. And that, IMO, even as an american patriot, is a damned good thing. So I applaud any nation that will do this.

I never liked the idea of my country putting on its empire britches, because what comes with that is always evil being exercised, and a cost to the People which is just too great for anyone to willingly agree to.

 

Not going to happen and not just Germany the EU. How to implement counter sanctions to the US if it starts sanctioning European businesses is one thing up for discussion.

 

He's clearly a Trumpette and acts like his Master.

 

By ending the deal and dirtying the name of the US for a very long time as a country which goes back on its deals, the US is doing everything possible to make sure Iran becomes a nuclear armed country.

 

He's hoping to cause civil war there.

 

That's not what Grenell said. He said that German firms should wind down operations immediately.

Sounds more like the Germans are burned.

The choice is yours, bro - you can do business in the United States or Iran. I expect that your leaders will choose wisely...

 

Only through destruction, I think. But I predicted South Africa would face a devastating war with the AWB before Apartheid would be dismantled. I was wrong about that and maybe I am wrong about this too.

 

Well it is all of Europe not just Germany. It may be that Germany has good exports with both but you cannot expect to keep alleys when you renege on deals you have made with others and then try to bully them to go along with you.

 

The United States never entered any deal. Barack Obama did. The United States Congress made that clear to the Iranians and everyone else years ago.

Wrong.

There never has been anything that has prevented Iran from becoming a nuclear armed country, and that includes the mockery of a travesty of a sham that Obama signed. No one has ever been able to get at the sites where Iran has been conducting nuclear weapons research and the charade that Trump just ended didn't enable anyone to get at them, either. Iran has been stonewalling the international community for decades and continues to stonewall it to this day by refusing inspectors into its military facilities.

It's too bad that you didn't express any concern about the Islamofascist regime in Iran keeping its word - this hasn't gone unnoticed. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, Ali Khamenei & Co. have emptily claimed that they are not interested in obtaining nuclear weapons. If that's true, the U.S. withdrawal from this charade will not make sure Iran becomes a nuclear armed country.

 

Well it's mostly European companies that invested in Iran and we all know why due to the hacked emails last year

Sheldon Anderson also the same guy funding Trump.. and Netanyahu

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170603-hackers-leak-emails-from-uae-ambassador-to-us/

 

Yeah, I sure cannot say with any certainty either. But I still think it will take some destructive and disasterous event in order to drive the change that we and the rest of the world so direly need at this point in world history. It could be a huge and great war, with tremendous loss of life, pain and suffering, or it may be a tremendous economic, financial driven crash which puts the average american back into the stone age, economically speaking. And it will more than likely be one or the other, perhaps both events occurring close together.

For such a basic change in the US, to happen, demands some destructive event, given just how deeply and strongly the current paradigm is in DC. And it can never happen without this ideological tribalism taking a back seat, going on recess for long enough for people to actually want the same thing.

What insures it will take a very long time to happen, is the fact that whatever this system is, in place in the US, is one that creates, enables and sustains ideological division, between those who are on the far left and those on the radical right. And a divided people of course do not get together for the common good of americans. And so, if you want to be a gov't which does not represent her average americans, and most of us are in this group, like it or not, and you want this total lack of representation to live on, you must divide the People, and keep them divided, by never stopping with throwing gas on that division, and destructive fire.

That MSM and politicians insure us of an unlimited supply of gas, just by us observing their words and actions is a given. And you can predict it is nowhere being close to ending.

 

Like you would stop trade with largest economy in the world the EU. Dude get real.

My leaders already stand by the treaty with Iran. As does France, UK, Russia and China.

 

For the United States. I hear this deal was 12 years in the making.

Like it made clear that it would not support the two state solution in I think 1996.

If Iran is not able to keep up her trade she will again start making nukes which she has the knowledge to make very quickly. The deal was stopping that though from what I hear she had not been engaging in this since 2003 so she went through a hell of a lot of sanctions and her people suffered for a very long time when Iran was not even making them.

The US has provided the most likely way for Iran to start again making nukes for safety from the US and at the same time the US's only hope of getting its supposed allies on its side is bullying. I think this has to mark the beginning of the end of cooperation between the US and Europe and certainly on the Guardian article I was reading earlier about how the EU is trying to convince Iran it will still be doing business with them, was that the EU must look at how to enforce counter sanctions on the US for any harm it does to European business.

The US has become a nation no one with a choice would do business with. My daughter was wondering tonight why you do not just get Trump certified to save your country.

Mattis does not agree with you. Only last week he was saying that the Iran deal had all the t's crossed to make sure Iran went by its part of it.

The US however is not a country with which to do deals as it goes back on them, Oslo as well as this and then tries to bully its supposed allies into going with it meanwhile hoping to create civil war in a country killing hundreds of thousands even millions of its people.

However this kind of behaviour I hear is pretty common when Imperialists are losing their power.

 

Why not? You can't deal with the truth?

 

I agree with the last paragraph. Everything every government does is done for its own interests, not necessarily a national interest. So I disagree with the first paragraph.

 

Can you imagine spending 12 years to come up with that garbage? It boggles the mind.