American propaganda. The Cold War.

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

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    But in practice you just reduce a talk to discussion of little insignificant details.

    In that case you can declare that the person which watchs 300 teleprograms and reads 700 newspapers, insufficiently gets information . He has brainwashed head and lives under pressure of dictatorship. So it is necessary to bomb this country to bring democracy there.
    Everyone decides for himself, what is enough.

    What facts? I do not see any facts which prove existence of democracy. Democracy is just your belief.

    It is interestingly in what way you are going to lead up your program to voters? It is necessary to print posters, employ assistants which will to agitate for you and so on. Will you personally knock on every American door and tell them about your program? You'll lose this elections.

    The good example of nothing depends on the American president. Even a horse can be a president, nothing wiil change. :mrgreen: System rules, president does not.

    This is obvious for you only. You have ignored my example with Russian emperor Peter III. Being absolute monarch, having unlimited authority, he could execute and intimidate everyone. But he was overthrown and killed. Why? Your ideas.

    Everyone is brainwashed to some extent. Finally all of us are products of propaganda. But there are people with a different ability to resist propaganda. This ability is individual and depends on many factors. So you believe you are not brainwashed at all?
     
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    Do not exaggerate. Last 20 years in my city have appeared 2 McDonalds only. Too many for city with the million population. :mrgreen: There are some Russian restaurants in America. Does it mean Americans do not love McDonalds and everyone visit Russian restaurants only?
     
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    Pozner is not the modern person which does not adopt the western values. If you'd attentively listen to your movie you'd hear that he used proofs of his point in the court . He has told that he did not exhaust the proofs from a finger, but used the data of archives and official applications of the State Duma (2m50s - 3m.05s). This is not modern as the modern person can state own point not caring about proofs. The court was backward of course, because it has taken into account Pozner's proofs. If the court would be advanced it would not take into account the proofs. And Stalin's grandson would win this process.
    P.S. You disappoint me MaxRiga. I think you still not quite have absorbed western values and communist atavisms still have an effect. But I'm the optimist and I believe together we'll become very much advanced people and we'll raise our IQ up to Albert Einstein's level.
     
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    It seems to me you do not understand the meaning of the phrase - what is your point. Please, search for the meaning and answer me a simple question - what is the point of the video with Pozner I linked to you. Thank you.
     
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    Why do you respond to things you consider insignificant?

    That is often the case. History has shown us that the masses of democracies are more likely to be better informed, and far less likely to wage war on other democracies.

    If they have a gun pointed at their head, it is not really their decision.

    Money just buys you exposure. It does not program people to agree with you.

    If NeoNazis in the US poured $5 billion into their candidate, they would STILL have no chance of getting him elected. None. People would not vote for him no matter how much exposure he got.

    You have to have a message that people like or agree with to get elected. Or at the very least you have to be more appealing than the other alternatives they can see. Money will not buy you votes.

    If my message is popular, I wont have to. I will easily find people to help me. I will easily find people willing to donate to me.

    Maybe that is how it works in Russia. In the US, the President has a great deal of power. He has the Veto and is commander in chief of the military.

    This can be overridden by congress, but it takes a very large majority to do so.

    Because he got oppressive enough that people would rather die than live under him.

    The fact that people would not rather die than overthrow a dictator is not evidence that they LIKE or AGREE with the dictator. LOL!

    Is that a Yes?

    (Why do you people have such a problem answering questions directly?)

    Not even a little. I fully understand why I believe what I believe. I fully understand why I vote for who I vote for. I can explain it in detail.
     
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    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    LOL! There were 310 in Russia as of 2011.

    Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_McDonald's_franchises

    Also; McDonalds is not the only American fast food franchise in Russia.

    Of course there are. We like variety here.
     
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    American propaganda during the Cold War had two goals. The first goal, to convince Americans that there is an external dangerous enemy is the Soviet Union
    The second goal, to make Americans believe that war is inevitable and in this event must be prepared.
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    Look at the hair style. It dates from before the Cold War. Russians are silly.
     
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    You are silly because that picture of 1947
     
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    Well I am compelled to ask you to prove the date of the photo. Thank you.
     
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    It's you will to prove that I'm wrong, you started this debate :mrgreen:
     
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    You don't know the rules of evidence do you?
     
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    That you do not know. You are obviously suffer verbal diarrhea, or in other words the recursion. :-D
     
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    Practicing your English language skills huh?
     
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    A strong argument lol
     
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    An observation, not an argument.
     
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    and in general all people around the world are just a (*)(*)(*)(*) :mrgreen:
     
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    There are many points buddy. And one of them it is necessary to prove own point using proofs and facts. I repeat for especially talented persons with high IQ, look attentively 2m50s - 3m.05s of your movie.
     
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    Wrong answer ( red light - bzzzzzz ). That wasn't a point of Poznar. You have your second try.
     
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    I'm not the supporter of this theory. Even because now democracy is just the brand which is owned by the USA. Being the holder of the brand your elite decides who is democratic and who is not democratic one. So everyone can be recognized as not corresponding to this brand to be bombed. So-called democratic countries (I repeat so-called) are not at war among themselves for other reason. Because they are members of one military block - NATO.

    I do not know about what gun do you speak. I do not see any gun.

    You have not understood me. I do not speak about obviously failed political programs. I speak, that having the most wonderful program you'll cannot present it to your voters. Pre-election political company is very expensive pleasure. Do not be so naive!

    Russian constitution is copied from American one. Russian president has the same powers as American one. But I speak about real authority, I do not speak about attributes of this authority which can be owned even by a horse. Do you really believe American president is independent in his decisions?

    So you contradict to yourselves. In this post you confirm the idea that a dictator must take into account the opinion of his people. Otherwise they would rather die than live under him and they will overthrow him.
    It seems to me I clearly enough have answered your question. All of us are products of propaganda to some extend. I do not think I'm an exception. You consider yourselves as exception. Though I can speak - Onlooker sees most of the game.
     
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    310 for the country with the population more than 140 millions And only 2 in my city. We love a variety too. So let they be for a variety. As to me, once, several years ago I have visited McDonalds. It was quite enough for me to understand that I have no so much health to eat this crappy food.
     

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