American propaganda. The Cold War.

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  1. Sadistic-Savior

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ"]Wendy's Commercial - Soviet Fashion Show - YouTube[/ame]

    I dont know...that seems pretty accurate to me.
     
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    ORLY? Gee, it appears statistics dont tell the whole story after all then eh? So much for your reliance on statistics.


    But you have a CHOICE of 70. If you only have access to (a CHOICE of) 5 channels, it is a lot less likely that you'd find something you want to watch, right?


    Explain to me why 5 or 6 is enough but 2 or 3 is not enough.

    Oh good, I am so glad we agree that a medical professional is a lot more likely to be able to make an accurate diagnosis than a random old lady.

    The nuances are relevant in this context. Especially if there is a language barrier involved.

    Philosophy is irrelevant. We are not discussing philosphy. We are discussing political systems. therefore, the definitions of the words you are trying to use to describe those systems are relevant.

    It is not the common use of the word in the English language. It is not how people actually use the word. That is why none of the dictionaries agree with your definition. You are attempting to manufacture your own definition for the word.

    And you are free to do so (well, at least in America you are)....but people will not understand what you are talking about.

    So why not just use the word "oligarch" to remove confusion?

    Anyone can run for office, and we have no limitations on who we can vote for. That is why those families are not in control...because we can remove them from power at will. That is not true for an Oligarch. Oligarchs do not require the consent of those that they rule.

    So the people who consider the USA to be an Oligarchy do not understand what "oligarchy" actually means.

    That is factually incorrect. I have already given you a real world example with the bank robber. His weapon gives him control over the crowd...they fear being shot, so they do what he wants. The only difference between him and Saddam is scale.

    A plot cannot form if the participants fear exposure (and the resulting retaliation). Your premise that everyone who lives under a dictator does so because they desire to, is retarded.

    Oh gee...so you admit you dont know any of the variables, yet this does not stop you from drawing conclusions. And you really think those conclusions are correct? LOL!

    Explain to me why this does not apply to you as well as anyone else.
     
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    Maybe thats why Wendy's used Russian women for their advertising. Lots of hamburger on that stage.
     
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    There are your American Women, American film director too. The consumer advertising - ordinary American , that is you. Everything is thought for sure.
    Ok, then who is the chief enemy of the Americans in 80 years - Russian. What is the main enemy to the health of Americans - a hamburger.
    The idea that Commercial would lose its meaning if you throw a hamburger out of your head.
     
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    Description from strangemaps.wordpress.com: Featured in the Time Magazine issue of March 10, 1952. The effective psychological strategy demonstrated by this map is an illustration of the powerfully innovative propaganda work achieved by R.M.Chapin, the primary cartographer for political maps in Time

    http://mappery.com/Europe-From-Moscow-in-1952-Map
     
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    The main difference between American women and Russian women is that Russian women are manly in addition to being fat. American women are just fat. LOL

    LOL! Someone needs to brush up on their history. Russia hasnt existed as a separate state in the last 80 years until very recently. You are thinking of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was our enemy. Russia has never been our enemy.

    Yeah, because Russia is so much healthier right? You people are as fat as we are, heh heh.

    Open wide comrade porky.

    I wonder why Russians do not find Russian food as appealing as American fast food. Any ideas Comrade?
     
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    I think that is enough.
    Because we are talking about women .
     
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    Not women everywhere...just women in Russia and America.

    Russian women are going to love stuffing their faces with our American Hamburgers. We have many products for you to consume.
     
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    Just think of youself as you have all the bad, and all thoughts only about fastfood.
    And you talk about my ideas? Well, I like go hunting deer .
    And for my family food and for me this is a sport. You are only think about your the fast food. :mrgreen:
     
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    yeah, you go hunt deer while your comrades stuff their faces with American made fast food, heh heh. Maybe McDonalds or Wendy's can win you over with a Deer-burger.

    It isnt just my fast food anymore comrade. We have chosen to SHARE this with the Russian masses. Fast food is in high demand over there. Eat up comrade.
     
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    That's what I'm saying to you that the word hunting for you sounds crazy , but for me as entertainment.
    And who among us after that a man? You are like a sheep grazing on the fields of McDonald's,
    or am I for whom hunting just a sport. You are in the woods as a baby, but I like a man. :mrgreen:
     
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    So you apparently believe that nobody in the United states hunts. So much for the Russian education system.

    Just like the Russians? Hey, we have something in common comrade!
     
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    Deer are fast food .
    Effing fast
     
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    Soon you will start to make comments on every separate words. Do not break a post into phrases without a context, make comments on an idea, not separate words. I have told you" enough it when enough". The person cannot simultaneously read 200 newspapers or watch 70 telechannels. It is enough to have some - 5-6 different sources of the information to compare opposite points. Sometimes 2-3 is enough. Sometimes 20 is not enough. Depends on character of the information which you want to analyze and the person which analyzing the information. This is why the statistics here is individual in every separate case.

    Just you deny, that old lady can be the professional too.

    At this moment we discuss philology, not political systems. You withdraw talk in a philological jungle while everything has started from your denying of the fact of dictate. You believe in democracy, I dont

    Do you have 2-3 billions to pay the pre-election political campaign? Are you so naive to trust every American can run for office? Look at your previous president - George Walker Bush. He was the complete idiot. Nevertheless he ruled the superpower 8 years. This fact is the magnificent proof that the American president is a decorative figure and nothing depends on him.

    I have given to you the answer too. To control 20-30 unarmed people in bank and to control the country with the population of 20-30 millions person are different things. Because there are many armed people and people which want to have own interests in authority in the country. You can take a gun and rob a bank, but you cannot take a gun and intimidate army. You will must make agreements with army, police and influential people about carve-up of an authority and money. I am surprised, I'm to to prove to you these axioms.

    I admit that massive introduction of stereotypes in a head always is reflected in a person.

    Explain why do you have decided that I do not admit it apply to me as well as anyone else?
     
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    Penetration of the American corporations does not mean that Russians have no own fast food. The majority of Russians prefer to visit own enterprises with more normal food. While McDonalds has in Russia a nickname - "Americanskaya rygalovka". It is impossible to translate correctly, but something like "the American place for barfing".
     
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    Request denied.

    I quote this way to make it obvious what exactly I am responding too. There is enough confusion with the language barrier as it is. I have not taken your quotes out of context in my responses.

    Which is the same thing as no answer at all, because it is completely subjective and vague.

    They dont have to read them simultaneously. That is the point. I can read one paper on tuesday and a different on on thursday. I can get input from many different sources (with many different points of view) instead of only a few sources, with only a few points of view.

    How did you determine that 5 or 6 is enough? Why isnt 2 or 3 enough?

    You appear to be projecting your personal opinion as if it were objective fact.

    Well, that makes one of us. I was not discussing philology. Dictionaries show how the words are actually used. If you desire to be understood, you will stay consistent with the dictionaries.

    Of course, it is possible that you dont care about clarity. But other English speakers are not using the word as you use it.


    And no amount of facts will change your mind. Yes, I understand that.

    I do not need 2 or 3 billion. If my message is popular, and people trust me, they will vote for me.

    If my message is popular, campaign funds are not a problem, because people will donate money to me to promote our mutual message.

    He did what I wanted him to do. Good example.

    He was RE-elected. He ruled with our consent.

    The only difference is scale. The fundamental principles are the same. If people fear retaliation, they will do whatever the guy in charge wants them to do.


    Of course you can. You insinuate your own police force into the military. Hitler did it. Stalin did it. Saddam did it. Fear was a common tool used by all of them to maintain power.

    The army is not a being in itself...it is made up of many individuals. Intimidate all of the individuals, and you intimidate the army. I am surprised I have to even explain this to you...I thought this was all rather obvious.

    So you believe you are brainwashed?
     
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    Yes, that must be why American fast food is expanding so rapidly in Russia. Because Russians hate it. LOL

    Are they all masochists?
     
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    to Patap

    honestly, I see no point in arguing with since u've reach ur 0. Ur last answer was better then any absurd poetry. Whatever.

    Concerning the last talk about Stalin victims and "proves" I was very happy to hear this from Pozner. I'm facing it to you -

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88XyHbBYT0"]Познер. Интервью с Алексеем Кудриным [23/01/2012]_4 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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