no, i think folks who attack soldiers should be treated as POWs, as per international law. since their acts are a legal act of war.
Oh ok, so according to you attacking police officers is not "legitimate military target", which means need to be punished about their acts. Basically you are agreeing with me.
Where the lines are being blurred is by what is a police officer by definition, taking a soldier and putting a badge on him saying Police does not a copper make! Well to anyone who isn't deceitful anyway.
laws of war says attackers should be treated as POWs, not criminals. attacking an armed Israeli Border Patrol officer who looks like a soldier and as acting like a soldier, is an act of war, not a criminal act.
Border Police is no military, is police. the Border Police's officers are working with the police, and they are recognized as such in the first day they are part of border police. They are not working in the IDF. - - - Updated - - - Oh ok, so according to you attacking police officers is not "legitimate military target", which means need to be punished about their acts. Basically you are agreeing with me.
no, we are not agreeing. please stop saying that we do. - - - Updated - - - the Israeli Border Police take recruits from the IDF, get military training, serve in the West Bank, and take on "terrorists". Their role clearly intersects with that of the military. normal border police in normal countries don't do these things. they just protect the border and that's it.
Yes we do, if you think that people that attack officers need to be punished about their acts, then it means that the officers are no "legitimate military targets", hence you are agreeing with me. If it was a legitimate act, as you claimed, then wasnt needed a punishment. - - - Updated - - - The border police's officers get police training, which after the training they get a police badge. According to you, someone who wear a police badge is not a policeman/woman?
"Commonly referred to in Hebrew as “Magav,” Border Police does not function as a civilian police force. Magav operates throughout the West Bank as well as Israel, taking part in repressive military operations and extrajudicial assassinations. They work alongside Israeli soldiers and have similar responsibilities in attacks on Palestinian cities, villages and refugee camps. Magav originated as a colonial Frontier Corps in the Israeli military, tasked with patrolling Israel’s ever-changing borders, and was eventually put under the command of the Israeli National Police. For anyone who has witnessed these attacks, the difference between military and Magav is semantic." - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/officer-actually-soldier#sthash.8m3hVFZB.dpuf As I said blurring the lines. However there is no doubt that Israel does target police in Gaza. http://www.timesofisrael.com/21-said-killed-in-strike-on-gaza-police-chiefs-house/ Double standards, duplicity and always playing the victim card, Israeli traits it would seem.
attacking Israeli border police, armed and in uniform, is an act of war if you think they are soldiers, which they often act as. such is not a crime, but a legal act of war.
The border police's officers get police training, which after the training they get a police badge. According to you, someone who wear a police badge is not a policeman/woman?
and they get military training, and work with the IDF to conduct military operations, and they get IDF recruits. the line between the IDF and Israel Border Police is very blury.
No you are contradicting yourself. Earlier you wrote that if someone attack an officer, s/he needs to be punished, thus it is not a "legal act". If it was legat act then you would wrote that they need to get punished. So basically you are agreeing with me. - - - Updated - - - The border police's officers get police training, which after the training they get a police badge. According to you, someone who wear a police badge is not a policeman/woman?
Absolutely not, anyone can put on a police badge, if I put on a police badge it does not make me a policeman, what a silly idea! Israel has decided to call the Magav policemen in an attempt to deceive, that is what Israel is excellent at! Meanwhile Israel targeted Police last year.
According to you, they are not officers, but then, if they are not officers so they could have police badge. But they actually get one, so they are policeman/woman. You said in comment #22: Which means, that accoridng to you, they need to be punished ("held as POWs") for their acts. Which makes yiu claim of "legal act" not true, because if it was a legal act, then you would said in that comment that they should be punished. Source: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=414850&page=3&p=1065147202#post1065147202
So according to you, someone who get police taraining is not a policemen/women? They got police badges after going through training that would allow them to get such badges.
"Border Policemen (Magav) do a professional job facing many complex issues. Almost any complex security situation involves the Magav. Among others: Homeland Security (ongoing security within the country), participation in demonstrations and high level security events, policing, preventing violations of public order, giving a response to terrorist events. Magav soldiers have the authority of a soldier and a policeman. Because of their combat training, border policemen are employed in unique areas, where there are greater risks for riots, violence and even terror. They serve mainly in the countryside, in Arab villages and towns (along with the regular police), near the borders and in Juda and Samaria." Clearly they have a Dual role as Soldiers. How blurred must the lines be before you accept it! But do not argue with me argue with the source! http://garinmahal.com/magav
Oh yes, when they are called soldiers, have the authority of a soldier and receive combat training, they are just policeman! I cannot believe you think anyone will fall for your attempt at deceit by your bolding. "Border Policemen (Magav) do a professional job facing many complex issues. Almost any complex security situation involves the Magav. Among others: Homeland Security (ongoing security within the country), participation in demonstrations and high level security events, policing, preventing violations of public order, giving a response to terrorist events. Magav soldiers have the authority of a soldier and a policeman. Because of their combat training, border policemen are employed in unique areas, where there are greater risks for riots, violence and even terror. They serve mainly in the countryside, in Arab villages and towns (along with the regular police), near the borders and in Juda and Samaria." This is from an organisation dedicated to recruiting them! When a policeman has the authority of a soldier and a policeman is that not blurring the lines between a soldier and policeman, yes or no?
haha!!! looks like they are police-soldiers. - - - Updated - - - being held as a POW isn't a punishment. its simply concentrating enemy personnel in a confined space.
Not quit. The boeder POLICEMEN are a policemen that get combat training along with their other training, so it could help them with the unique places they are in. BUT they are still a policemen, as your source shows.
and they get military personnel, and conduct military activities as defined by most nations. killing one of them, who is armed and uniformed and on duty, is an act of war...not terror.
To be held as POWs is a punishment. If s/he would not attack, then he would not get held, hence to be held as POWs is punishment. It's like a criminal, acitizen of some country will attack someone, so he would go to jail. Hence going to jail is the punishment about the attack, right?
