attacking an Israeli Border Patrolman, who's duties intersect with those of the military, is an act of war, not a "murder".
Be consistent with your terminology that's all I ask from ppl in this forum, I understand your point of view, personally I would prefer ppl will only target each other of field of battle and after a formal declaration of war - and as few of those as possible.
if this person was just a regular old cop, just doing her duty as a cop in Israel, I would say that was not a legal act of war as I don't believe such targets are legit under the rules of war. but due to the intersection and overlapping of duties between the Israeli Border Patrol and the IDF, a good argument can be made that this person was a military target,
I know, its the knife in the back that rubs me the wrong way + the fact they insist on causing another war.
Oh chill out gilos. Attacking Israelis in uniform is no big deal. And you know it. Those same uniforms do an awful lot of nasty things to unarmed people just trying to get by. Don't see you getting rubbed the wrong way about that. Anyway enjoying your contribution as usual gilos. - - - Updated - - - No big deal here. It's okay for civilians to attack enemy in uniform when they are both denied their own army and are subject to the whims of enemy in uniform. You all know that.
Not really. My comments relied on your source that said that the ones who serve Magav are "border policemen". Are you saying that your own source is not telling the truth? Or as you put it- it says 1+1=1? Well, to be a Zionist is not necessarily means that s/he must be Jewish. There are Jewish Zionists, Christian Zionists and so on. Zionism is only a movement that was founded in the 20th century and which support a establishment of a state for the Jews in the Land of Israel, hence, if you are supporting the existance of Israel, then you are also a Zionist. Such land was Promised to the Jewish people. The Jewish people have the exclusive sovereignty rights over the Land of Israel. According to International law. Such promises was never given to the Arabs regarding the Land of Israel. Against Zionism? do you familier with "The Table of races" that was made by the Nazis? In such table (which is Pseudo-science) the JEWS (not Zionists) as something that isnt humen, sub-"race". For instence, Eichmann at the begining of the Nazi regime try to find other solutions for the "Jewish problem" in Europe. One of the solution that was suggested and Euchmann tried to implememt was to make the Jews go to the Land of Israel, so "the Jewish problem" would be solved. Not quit. Only if Israel will annex whole of the West Bank + Gaza strip, then the Jewish majority will be lost. If Israel will annex just the West Bank, the Jewish majority will still be kept. But of course, today Israel is not wanting to annex whole of the West Bank nor Gaza. The only thing that right-wing politicians announced that they want to annex ONLY Area C. According to your source, the ones who serve in Magac are "border POLICEMEN". Please re-read comment #57.
It doesnt contradict the fact that the police needs to protect the security within the country, while the military is responsible of defending against threats aoutside the country. The problem here that the ones who serve in Magav, are policemen/women.
no, they are Israel Border Patrol, who have duties which intersect with those of the IDF. this woman was NOT regular local police.
According to the Israeli Defense Ministry, through an agency they fund for recruitment into the IDF. The Magav have the authority of a soldier The Magav have the authority of a policeman Which of the above statements do you disagree with Stuntman?
Here is comment 57 "You are forcing me to repeat myself by repeating yourself. Not quit. The border POLICEMEN are a policemen that get combat training along with their other training, so it could help them with the unique places they are in. BUT they are still a policemen, as your source shows." As you can see it does not answer the simple question, now try again, take your time, here we go According to the Israeli Defense Ministry, through an agency they fund for recruitment into the IDF. The Magav have the authority of a soldier The Magav have the authority of a policeman Which of the above statements do you disagree with Stuntman?
Indeed that doesn't deflect the fact that the military exist within and without. Thus your point is defeated. No problem since these police act as military and operate both within and without. - - - Updated - - - Indeed you lose by your own admission
No you have not, I will show you comment 57 again, "You are forcing me to repeat myself by repeating yourself. Not quit. The border POLICEMEN are a policemen that get combat training along with their other training, so it could help them with the unique places they are in. BUT they are still a policemen, as your source shows." See no mention of the authoritative roles of the Magav, do you understand that? I will assume you do. Now next bit, According to the Israeli Defense Ministry, through an agency they fund for recruitment into the IDF. The Magav have the authority of a soldier The Magav have the authority of a policeman Which of the above statements do you disagree with Stuntman?
if the Magav have the authority of a soldier, then they are not just police, but also quasi-soldiers.
Which is the reason he cannot answer the question as we both are aware off, hoisted by his own defence ministry!
That's not what I wrote. I wrote: It doesnt contradict the fact that the police needs to protect the security within the country, while the military is responsible of defending against threats aoutside the country. It's according to RiaRaeb's source that the ones who serve Magac are policemen/women.
That's why we didnt talk about roles, but we are talking about the ones who serve Magav are policemen/women, according to your own source, and which I already answered you about it.
We are not talking about anything other than the authority, you will not answer the simple question because in doing so you have to accept they have the authority of a soldier. Again According to the Israeli Defense Ministry, through an agency they fund for recruitment into the IDF. The Magav have the authority of a soldier The Magav have the authority of a policeman Which of the above statements do you disagree with Stuntman? A very simple question if you do not know the answer here it is again, Magav soldiers have the authority of a soldier and a policeman. After completing basic training, soldiers join the various battalions to continue training and tour of duty. All border policemen receive combat training and in addition are also trained for CT (counter-terrorism), riot control and policework. Basic training takes place at the Magav training center in the South. During basic training, soldiers learn infantry content, weaponry, camouflage implementations, shooting, physical fitness, krav maga, live fire battle drills, war history, a series of education and more. http://garinmahal.com/magav Please stop this deceit it is embarrassing.
