Andrew Yang: The entire socialism-capitalism dichotomy is out of date

Stupidity and lack of education makes them attractive. Republicans are just warning about the dangers.

 

I was not familiar with Andrew Yang, but I watched the video you posted & agree with you, that Mr. Yang has some very thoughtful, innovative things to say. I agree with you & him that a combination of capitalism & socialism is the right answer to our current economic problems in America. I hope our voters learn this from the 2020 election, and cast their votes to help make that happen.

 

Not the first time we had a hybrid system.
The period 1947 to 1980...and nothing since has ever equaled the standard of living we achieved with it either.

 

Before Yang can woo Democratic delegates he has to get enough supporters or donations to make it to the first debate. HE needs name fame to get in the door.

 

Sigh .. that ISN'T Socialism. Socialism requires that all members pull their weight .. no exceptions.

Only Capitalism allows the luxury of 'choosing not to work'.

 

A UBI is outrageous. Takes the grand hubris of the First World human to come up with something which doesn't and could never, exist in nature.

 

So what happens when automation leaves 30% of the workforce out of work with no jobs to be had (becuase any new jobs created by new tech would themselves be automated)? You have 2 option, feed the unemployable or be the unemployables food. If you want to be neither food or cannibal, you have to go with the feed the unemployable option aka UBI.

The French Revolution 2.0 is NOT the outcome we want from automation and resisting automation would make civilization go backwards.

 

Yes, it seems outrageous, but the changes technology is doing, and will continue to do with the availability of jobs eventually reaching critical mass. Unlike yourself, at least some minds are thinking about how to keep capitalism from imploding, so we can still have some extraordinary wealth by a few at the top.

What cannot exist in nature, is capitalism that provides no disposable income to human beings, in exchange for their work.

I don't think some of us can grasp where we are heading, and really don't want to think about it, because it makes our heads hurt. ha ha

 

The career scum bag politicians have destroyed this nation and though the left want to sneak their new and improved socialism in, we don't need anything but to get the scum out and replace them with honest men and women again.

 

I saw this somewhere, but I can't find the video so this is going to be a sourceless post.

I think it said that the age range for Yang's basic income is 18-64. And so that assumes that when you retire at age 65 you'll need social security and savings to keep you afloat.

In other words work isn't going anywhere. You still need to work and earn your share of SS credits to qualify for retirement.

Also you can't take Yang's basic income and still take welfare. You have to choose which is more valuable welfare or a $1000/month income. You can't have both.

 

UBI is another word for inflation.

 

where are the honest men and women in the Republican scheme of things when so many from the Trump regime are in jail where they belong???

 

His premise is substantially correct. What bothers me about the right wing is their continued hypocrisy and double standards in all this. As I have posted enough times, there is no bigger example of socialist welfarism than is the military industrial complex. I have called for all right wingers to condemn it and to demand an end to it. But only a very few principled right wingers here have stood up and met my challenge. Just a few moments ago, I pointed out that the agriculture industry is also the beneficiary of socialist subsidization and remains in debt to the tune of $2.65 TRILLION. And this is a segment of our society which votes Republican. I now call for all forum right wingers to condemn this socialist welfarism as well. Let us see whether they have enough principle to do the same as those few right wingers did earlier.

 

Oh do you know something we all don't? You libs still pissing your pants like infants huh? At least he didn't give a billion dollars to the largest sponsor of terrorism, he isn't a treasonous anti-American like that clown you licked the boots of. Remember how he mocked Trump about a 3% GDP being impossible? Obozo would be completely irrelevant if he hadn't been in collusion with the Iranian terrorists. Luckily for Obozo they didn't want the first black president to be seen as the scum bag he truly was. You are laughably pathetic. TDS has gotten the best of you. Hehee too funny and fun to see how emotional you are. Oh and you voted for Hillary. You can't make this stuff up.

 

Trump was a very bad place to start that process.

 

No.

 

LOL - pathetic, coming from someone who voted for Trump.

World's biggest sponsor of terrorism? That would be your heroes in Israel according to all the world including Israeli journalists Ostrovski (By Way of Deception) and Beit-Hallahmi (Israeli Connection). The only other world power that can claim to be the biggest sponsor of terrorism is the USA through the CIA. After all, what do you call this:







And just in case you might be thinking of Iran, when are you Republicans going to return the TRILLIONS in oil you stole from that country starting in 1953 under Operation Ajax?

Since your hero Trump (a word that means fart in the UK) claims to be ever so moral, he should take the money out of his pocket to compensate those innocents for all the hell your party created in that land. So just aside your hatred for Obama and the USA and demand that your hero, along with your Christian professing party, live up to the ideals you spew on a daily basis but fail to practice.

 

Putting Trump in the White Wash House is certainly no way to start the process. In fact, the record shows he is the worse president ever.

 

Good post - never heard of this guy till now but was impressed. Most impressive candidate I have seen yet - but this is just based on one interview. Time will tell.

 

We are more automated than we have ever been and we have a glut of jobs PARTICULARLY in robotics and automation.

At one time it was "well if we go to automated telephone switching systems what will happen to the tens of thousands of switchboard operators???"

 

Did you even know this was an issue:

 

Now I support Yang even more!

But I saw a headline that though Andrew Yang doesn't support circumcision he's not going to ban the practice.

It's a personal decision folks.

 

Or what people are willing to give up to get it. For instance, universal health care. A quick calc for UBI and depending if only one in a household gets it would be around 4 trillion for a 20k a year income. Like welfare, if only one were to get it per household then that would produce more single households. If it were to be for everyone then that number would naturally increase. Finland just quit their program because it was designed to free up worry so a person could work as they wanted but it produced nothing but happy people and no work. Unfortunately people have to work to pay for these Utopian schemes.

 

He is still to much of a globalist for me and thinks that our aid to Israel and other allies should be no strings attached. He is very pragmatic and I find that appealing.

 

Agreed down the road, there will be less and less valued added work performed by humans on which capitalism is based. So if you don't own the algorithm or the robot what good are you? The only other work is taking care of each other, hell even farms are going to be sans farmers with self driving farm equipment. People going green with more power created by individuals without utilities. It is already now possible to build a house that produces all your energy needs and for your car for about a 10 percent premium on new home construction. Utility and energy companies are going to be impacted like the cable and landline phone industry is now.