Andrew Yang: The entire socialism-capitalism dichotomy is out of date

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  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you sure? How about giving him a chance?
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    He's not going to ban circumcision. He just doesn't agree with it.

    And by the way that position makes me like Yang even more.
     
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  3. danielpalos

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    the private sector is capitalism. we have a mixed market economy.
     
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    The private sector can be anything the government allows it to be. All contracts, monies and commons necessary to support the private sector are provided by the government. It is shallow to think the private sector acts alone, it needs a functioning partner in a government to survive. I agree we have a mixed economy but that is stating the obvious and not pertinent to a discussion centered around Yang and his ideas.
     
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    Gonna force Jews to not follow their religion?
     
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    why do you have a problem with the paradigm that Government is socialism?
     
  7. Crawdadr

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    Do we allow genital mutilation of girls from Africa in America? So I guess we could stop it, though I am not Jewish and my son and I are both circumcised.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the problem with and authoritarian government. Bureaucrats decide what your freedoms are.
     
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    But is this akin to those types of things, genital mutilation, breast flattening, foot binding, that neck ring things? Is it acceptable to stop these things if we think it causes harm even when it is religious or cultural? I am interested in people responses on what degree of body manipulation is acceptable and why.
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Why aren´t you running for President? I am as serious as a heart attack, You said you were going to and now seems a good time for new people.

    Or maybe you are, let us know.
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Thatś the case all the time under any government. Your freedoms are always up to other people, just a matter of interpretation.
     
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    At 27 years old, I'm too young. And it seems whenever I have momentum on a decision, something happens. I'm focused on getting a new hearing aid(the good), the bad is that I need to get a new car since mine broke down lol.
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Then run for Senate or Congress. All you really need is a website.
     
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    Isn't the US already a mixed system considering that there are welfare programs?
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    We have been a ¨mixed¨ system since the AntiTrust legislation of the 1890ś. This is why Europeans see Americans as silly. We see Capitalism as the regulated non-monopolistic system we have had for about 125 years, they see Capitalism as the crushing combination of monopolies and oppressed workforces that turned 19th century Europe into a worst dystopia than the Middle Ages; where thousands regularly starved in the streets while the rich expanded and the middle classes declined. Contrary to American conservatism´s historical blindness and cultural arrogance communism did not arise because all the workers suddenly decided to become thieves. Capitalism´s utility has long been recognized even by its detractors but its disadvantages as a pure system are obvious to anyone who is aware of history at all.

    I agree with Yang that we seem to have moved beyond the old Socialism-Capitalism thing. Socialism is dead decades now but Capitalism has not been practiced for a long time either. I don´t know what the new metric to separate economic systems is or even if there is or should be any. i see authoritarianism vs permissiveness as one possibility manifesting itself but thatś common to anything, isn´t it?
     
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    It's not been practiced for a long time where?
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    In the USA or Europe and Japan, none of us permit forced monopolies or Cartels. We are seeing monopolies return in the computer field and a few others but that seems more a matter of one firm offering a generally better product/service for most applications, which we permit, rather than ¨agreements in restraint of trade¨ which we don´t
     
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    That's why we have a constitution that specifically provides protection FROM government. Unfortunately the uninformed or authoritarians keep pushing and pushing but often the courts overrule their unconstitutional legislation.
     
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    what are you talking about, he says he thinks it is barbaric. he is not saying it should be against the law or he wants to outlaw it. Just a statement. If you don't think cutting a baby's penis isn't barbaric fine.
     
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    Capitalism does not mean you need to have free enterprise. I would agree that free enterprise is no longer practiced but capitalism certainly is.
     
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    So the US isn't currently Capitalistic?
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not purely, no. Worldwide, pure Capitalism is what Ayn Rand calls it, ¨The Unknown Ideal¨
     
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    They see Americans as silly because they don't have mixed systems?
     
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    No, because the right wing is clueless and Causeless about socialism and our mixed market economy. Government is socialism.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    No because they do, they see our worship of pure capitalism as wrongheaded and ahistoric. Capitalism was not all that pleasant for them, though their version had features ours never did
     

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