AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

The master also tells his slave "keep working to support me, while I take a nap".

 

There is no socialism in Europe. There is only healthy capitalism, and a monocultural agreement on expenditure of surplus.

 

Those are NOT artifacts of collectivism! They are purchased with the profits of capitalism!

Collectivism would mean we directly participate in the delivery of those services. Capitalism is when we pay someone to do it for us. Got it?

 

Have to disagree with you. Any program supplied by the government is socialist in nature. There is no escaping it. Whether capitalism is profitable or not is irrelevant since the services are provided regardless.

 

No, I just blame the criminals, I don't randomly blame other people as you suggest.
Your reply is devoid of any logic, it is absurd and and it really looks like a reply from someone who doesn't even understand English nor the meaning of words.
When you don't understand the meaning of words you can not communicate and you can find yourself throwing aberrations, like you are doing here.

But since you gave me the opportunity, I will answer about the right to blame the criminals, coming with some real-life examples. As opposed to that, one can easily notice that the super-rich, their servants and their supporters have no real life examples to support their claims. And that's because it's impossible to support criminal intentions, criminal ideas and criminal decisions with evidence that comes from reality facts. And therefore what's left for them is only Pure Lies and spreading confusion.

The criminal corporate executives at Enron were stealing the money of the shareholders. And then the shareholders had the right to blame the criminals who stole their money.
The Microsoft customers blamed Microsoft for overpricing it's products and they were right to blame Microsoft. That was confirmed by the decision of the court.
When the government was blaming the corporations for price fixing and fined those companies, they were right to do so - link. Also the government was right to blame and to fine the pharmaceutical companies who resorted to unfair business practice - link.

According to your "logic", the USA should return to the status of colony of Great Britain, because they were wrong to blame the Great Britain, also that African American slaves were wrong to blame their owners, that the victims of the Holocaust, of the the Irish Genocide, of the Congo Genocide etc have no right to and so on.

Your reply shows once again how deeply criminal is the Western culture. It is the cult of criminality and it is the mindset of murderous assassins. In this mindset, the criminals are heroes and their victims should be ashamed and the should have no right to speak.
This cult of criminality was built, step by step, using the education - mass media and the corporate culture.

Another common feature of the super-rich and their supporters is the fact that they are not capable and not willing to answer the questions. That's because their whole argumentation is based on lies, their truth is only working in fantasies so they have no answers to questions about real-life situations.

By the way, do you think it's wrong to blame criminals?

 

You can disagree, but you'll still be wrong.

PAYING for services you can't or won't do yourself, is the very essence of a surplus (ie, capitalist) economy. Collectivism means you do the work yourself, because you don't produce the surplus to pay for it.

It's really quite bizarre to think the luxury of paid services is a result of socialism/communism.

 

With all due respect, your claims are only valid in a fantasy land. But I was talking about the palpable reality.
Back here on Earth, the Scandinavian countries are the least corrupt countries in the world. You don't have to believe me because you can convince yourself - Google is your friend. The communist countries were bad because they had criminal leaders, not because of the socialism. However, the life of the people was very good in the communist countries like East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia - because they had better leaders. In Hungary for example, the president Kadar had zero tolerance for corruption.
As anyone can see, the current capitalist systems do not work. Almost all the capitalist countries are either a huge disaster (in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Middle East but even in Eastern Europe) or they are very close to a collapse of the economy (the Western countries).
The Western countries are not capable to pay their debts. They have to make debts again in order to pay the recurring debt. Whenever the super-rich who are in control of the financial institutions decide to stop lending money to the US government, the economy of USA will collapse. And then, the private retirement funds will collapse because they won't be able to get back the money they are lending to the US government. And then the govt, instead of taxing the rich in order to pay the public debt, they will print money and that means they will tax the poor (the incomes of the average citizens will be reduced).

But that's not because of the capitalism. The capitalism contains a lot of good, intelligent and useful ideas. This catastrophic situation of the capitalist systems exists simply because the politicians in the capitalist countries are extremely corrupt. In those countries where the corruption is lower, the economy is working very well (Japan, South Korea, Singapore etc)

 

That is absolutely false. Your claims only work in fantasies and that's the very reason why you are not capable to come with real-life evidence to support your claims.
The criminal bankers at the Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase who stole the money of their depositors were not sent to jail, as they should have been. Not everyone gets the opportunities the criminal bankers are getting. The bankers also got bailouts from the taxpayer money. But the people who lost their houses didn't get bailouts. Therefore the criminals have much bigger opportunities than the decent people in the criminal Western systems.
Also General Motors got a gift of 10 billion $US, an opportunity that other companies that went bankrupt didn't get.
The average criminal doesn't have the opportunity that the king of the world's organized crime - Mark Rich - got by getting a presidential pardon from Bill Clinton in his last day of his presidency.
The average Syrian person doesn't get the privilege to be offered a safe heaven in Spain like one of the biggest mass murderers in the world got - Rifaat al-Assad.
The average American did not get tax cuts like the super-rich got in the Great Depression (1930) - link.
The average Romanian citizen doesn't have the opportunities that you have. The same for the average citizen of Uganda, Brazil, India, Bangladesh etc.
The famous singer Madonna became famous but while on her way for success she got raped because she had to live in a quite unsafe neighborhood. Other singers didn't get raped. Many other poor people are getting raped or even killed because they can't afford to pay for renting a place to live in a safer neighborhood.
In 2010, the United States Department of Agriculture vowed to pay some forty thousand black farmers $1.2 billion in total, as a compensation for years of undue discrimination. That's because those African-American farmers were discriminated - and that means unequal opportunities - link.
Do you want more examples?

On top of all that, the wages are greatly unbalanced - the average computer programmer is earning much more than a farm worker yet both are producing useful things for the economy. Ant the ones that are producing the most important things (food) - the farmers - are getting less. Someone has to do farm work too if you want to have something to eat so those unfortunate individuals have less opportunities than others.
It is utterly absurd to claim or to suggest that all the people have the same abilities and therefore they have the same opportunities.

Not everyone has a talent for doing business. Therefore not everyone can become a mogul like Ford. There are and were also a lot of ambitious businessmen who built big companies but then they went bankrupt.

Your claim is utterly preposterous, just like the rest of your claims, because they are all coming from the same mindset the super-rich created in the Western culture: a mindset based on Pure Lies, a mental construct that was created in order to justify and to promote criminality and the criminal decisions of the people in power who always drag the population in deeper and deeper poverty.

 

That right there is precious.

 

They are also not socialist by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Socialist countries always wind up with corrupt leaders power does that to people. Power is a hammer to a hammer everything else looks like a nail.

 

Yep deeper and deeper into poverty. Where the poorest are richer than 99% of humans who have existed...

 

The mantra of the losers is always- "I can't", followed by the allegation that they are victims of those who have succeeded. The mantra of winners is the opposite- maybe I can, and I will". They on the other hand know it is up to them, and with the occasional exception they pursue that by the rules.

Of course, the loser side neither sees this or wants to see it or is willing to see it. Any effort to show it to them is met with more of the "I can't", and all the reasons that only the rich have advantage.
Sadly- the reason the losers remain losers is exactly that, they see no way to become a success on their own.... somebody has to give it to them. While you could hand such a person a profitable business and a wad of cash- it still wouldn't work, because they lack the mindset, the mental skills and self-discipline required to keep that on course.

People are different, that is true. However everybody has something of great value inside them- and you won't ever find it if you expect to find that outside yourself. I tried for 10 years to learn to play guitar- and never got to the point where I could stand my own lousy music. I eventually accepted that it was a talent I just didn't possess. On the other hand, I am a self-taught and very successful investor. I'm an inventor, and have more ideas on paper waiting to be developed than the rest of my life will allow. I have a small but profitable business today, my seventh, marketing my own inventions, with clients in over 100 countries. I've also been bankrupt, had major cancer while broke and had no insurance, literally living in storage building- yet negotiated a way to pay the bills, and did. I have never taken a dime in support, not even an unemployment check. Your excuses and blaming the world for the lack of opportunity ring hollow to me, because I've been there- and I know better. What's more, I know a lot of people who have also succeeded from scratch.

You need to stop studying the art of losing, and embrace the philosophy of winning. That DOES NOT require the abuse of others- it requires you take full responsibility for yourself. You have to find what YOU have, then train that talent, train yourself, and learn to make the most of what you have- not whine because you don't have what somebody else does. It IS up to you; nobody owes you a damn thing.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others for your own choices. Instead, go about learning how others have gained the success you are so envious of that you can't accept it is genuine; that you must claim is stolen. We are what we make ourselves to be. We do that by how we think, how we accept the obligation to take care of ourselves, by who we allow close to us- by hundreds of everyday decisions. Those who refuse to make those decisions or make them wisely are like leaves in the wind, being blown from one bad place to another- and blaming the wind. Get your butt in the drivers seat, take control of your own life, and everything changes. To do that, you have to accept the job and the responsibility, not demand somebody else is responsible for your mistakes. Could you do it? Of course. Anybody can. Most won't- and they don't want someone like me bursting their bubble and telling them the could.

Do some research; google these-

History of Oprah Winfrey
Great business successes that started in a garage
Great businessmen who had no degree

Take for example, Amadeo Gianni. His family immigrated from Italy around 1900, and had a small vegetable farm, which grew to a produce business. He left school at 13 to work in his fathers business.
Later- he founded Bank of America, and created many of the standards for banking practices that still are used today.

YOU can't? Hogwash. That's not the problems for losers. YOU WON'T is the problem. NO SELF-CONFIDENCE is the problem. NO AMBITION, NO INITIATIVE is the problem.
Spend your life looking for the "Easy" button and knowing someone else is to blame for you not finding it- thus you can tell yourself you are an "exploited victim" instead of a "loser".
Feels better that way.

 

From what I have read, her constituents are having buyers' remorse about her. She still has not set up an office in the Bronx and does not get to anyone who leave messages. She's too busy being a "media darling", I guess. They say that Crowley cared more about them than she does.

 

Since you know you are right and I know that I am right, we'll both have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

Could you elaborate?

 

Yes. It extorts.

 

I have to honestly admit, I share SOME of your sentiment.

 

if so why are you so afraid to present an obvious example?????????

 

of course you can learn toward socialism. the bigger govt gets the more it leans toward socialism

 

Super-rich just created Amazon Google Apple Facebook Netflix Microsoft. They provide modern new products that we all love, and millions of great jobs. They are our heroes and Gods. Do you get everything perfectly backwards???

 

pure liberal insanity of course! What would be an example of serving the super-rich??? Afraid to try?????

 

Yes, states are nothing more than criminal organizations.

 

But they DON'T separate babies and small children from parents WITH NO WAY TO REUNITE THEM LATER. The Trump border policies were the most anti-family policies I've seen in America since slavery ended in 1865. Anyone who supports Trump's family separation policies is functioning on values totally alien to my America. Republicans who support Trump in this HAVE no family values--period.