Ask a Marxist!!!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by blackharvest216, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,481
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Lenin had that one worked out - you don't work then you don't eat.

    - - - Updated - - -

    When the natural resources are close to running out there will have to be some sort of central planning for use of scarce resources. The twin laws of supply and demand will be repealed. Capitalism is fine when there's sufficient to go around, it will not work during scarcity.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Marx worked. He was a journalist, among other things.
     
  2. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    karl marx invented the term capitalism, as a way too describe whats wrong with the world, calling your self a capitalist is like a calling your a robber baronist it doesn't make sense

    - - - Updated - - -

    alot of great questions here guys!!! ill try too answer them all, and in the order they were asked
     
  3. Windigo

    Windigo Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    15,026
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ranting editorials about he evils of capitalism is not working. Its certainly not journalism. Being a journalist is too much work for a lazy scumbag like Marx.
     
  4. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    off to the gulag with them
     
  5. Windigo

    Windigo Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    15,026
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How do you track down these people who dont work?
     
  6. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,481
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He worked. He also cheated on his wife with the housekeeper. No-one says he was a saint.
     
  7. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    purely based on reason, another word for communism is scientific socialism, as oppose too utopian socialism, if you can prove any of marx's theories are wrong then we change them, fortunately nobody has done so, also communism is a stateless classless moneyless 1 world society, since that has never been attempted you cannot say it has been shown to be wrong in practice, can you?
     
  8. Windigo

    Windigo Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    15,026
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And Marxism works any better?

    All you get is a big black market and the need for a police state to control the black market.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Writing editorials is not working. Actual journalism wold be too much work for Marx.
     
  9. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,481
    Likes Received:
    915
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Marxism is, for me at least, a form of social analysis. The economic theory is socialism, I think, not sure if I can directly link it. I haven't read a lot of Marx on economics but what I have read (and what I've understood, which is probably less than my total reading) seemed to me to be critique. It's entirely possible that Marx did put forward a whole economic system, I'm just not aware of it.

    A black market will always be present until that fabled time when an economic system delivers for everyone. During wartime in Britain when the economy was totally centrally planned and controlled the black market existed and those who could afford to pay for items that were normally rationed, got them. We're not talking ore, oil or tonnes of grain here, we're talking what we would now call consumer items.

    The police state exists beyond any economic model. It can exist in capitalist or socialist/communist societies.
     
  10. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    in fact it is completely natural, barbaric communism is how humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years, capitalism has only existed for about 600 years and is completely unnatural, which is why it has failed so badly

    there has never been a communist regime, communism is a 1 world society the USSR communist china, castro's cuba were all state capitalists

    the economic disadvantages from socialist governments were in relation to embargoes, however in russia life expectancy rose almost every year under the USSR and plummeted when they collapsed, also many african, south american, and other 3rd world countries live under much more horrible conditions and they are fully capitalist nations.

    I would rather live in north korea than somalia any day
     
  11. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    20,296
    Likes Received:
    7,744
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If that is necessary, to embrace the ends justifies the means, then Marxism will always fail, for the means is the end. In reality, that is how that always has worked out. The means is the end. If you use what you have suggested, to obtain the end, then the end cannot endure, nor stand.

    Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, its weaknesses, and I do not recall him ever advocating what you are advocating. Didn't that come, what you are advocating, from men who lusted for power, and were sociopathic?

    Structuring an economic model that seeks to provide for all in a society does not require burning churches, nor killing or sending the rich to prison. And this keeps most people from even considering what marx said, for some of what he said was just fact.
     
  12. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2010
    Messages:
    40,617
    Likes Received:
    5,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then what would you call the centralization of the means of production with the state?
     
  13. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2013
    Messages:
    17,331
    Likes Received:
    8,800
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bull crap capitalism has been around ever since a cave man traded a spear head for a peace of meat
    capitalism is the default economic system it manifest its self any time other economic systems fail. it is the economic system used when no other system is forced
     
  14. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    that is a very complicated question, for one thing stalin didn't promote communism, he promoted "socialism in one country" which was essentially state capitalism, mao believed in 3rd worldism in that all citizens of the 1st world were at war with the 3rd world and developing world, there are entire books written about the mistakes of of every socialist government. why would they repeat themselves?

    most left communist cant stand marxist-leninists and consider them as reactionary as the obnoxious republican party (which is actually a trot party)
     
  15. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    26,347
    Likes Received:
    172
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Everybody becomes a Marxist/Socialist when the wealthy siphon the well dry.
     
  16. Windigo

    Windigo Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2008
    Messages:
    15,026
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thats not true you should read up om Marx opinions on revolutionary terrorism.
     
  17. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Money represents the value of work, without the ability to earn it, save it and invest it freely and regardless of how much one has, there is no reason to work any harder than the next person.
     
  18. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The only way the wealthy can siphon the well dry is through government intervention. Government can only create monetary problems. You know, like creating a reason for people to take out liar loans with the full backing of Fannie Mae. Private lenders did not do this and would never do it.
     
  19. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    how would we run society when full articicial intellgence is made possible? when robots run the world? the fact is we are slowly entering (some say weve already arrived in) a society that does not require everyone too work in order for everyone too survive

    - - - Updated - - -

    so do i
     
  20. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    why do you think being a doctor is better than being janitor, if we for example got rid of all the janitors then we would have much more problems with disease than if we got rid of all the doctors, if there is dirty toilet you want cleaned then clean it yourself
     
  21. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    that's like asking me if i disagree with albert einstein's or isaac newton's theories, there's certainly alot i dont understand, but ive never come across anything I disagree with

    is there anything you disagree with about the theory of gravity?
     
  22. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    26,347
    Likes Received:
    172
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The wealthy have all the government intervention they want.
     
  23. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    its the first time ive ever heard it, thats why asked him too elaborate? I couldn't even find anything on google about it, could you post some kind of source? i promise too read it
    its a strange example i don't know what kind of freinds you have that are always asking you questions about pencils, but mine don't. im also typing not talking so how can i be stuttering?
    do you have any examples of russia and china not being able too figure out how too make pencils?

    it's a strange question
     
  24. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Does Marxism respect property rights we each have in our own bodies and in the resources we own? Or in other words, does a Marxist support the initiation of aggression against the person or property of others?
     
  25. blackharvest216

    blackharvest216 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    backwards and frontwards, as well a das kapital

    heres a link too the manifesto

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
     

Share This Page