T'would appear you know this from direct experience. FYI. As for raising another man's child, I happen to have a step father who raised me as his own and I loved and respected him for it. He was strong and fierce and not at all pathetic like you. Oh dear, now its not about banning the building of mosques its about referendums on the location and design of all houses of worship and public buildings. Boy your ability to interpret facts leaves a great deal to be desired.
Of course i know from direct experience. Its part of my job to dissolve cuck demonstrations. As for raising another mens child..,whatever makes you happy If thats ok for you, so be it. I think its pure weakness.
I was just in Austria on business two months ago. In Vienna for almost a week. I've also been there twice in the last years. I didn't see a single woman wearing a burqa. Is this a big problem?
Do you know that this isn't actually the Burka? I didn't know this until recently and I suspect most don't. This is a niqab, and it is not being banned. The burka is the full face covering. The niqab has those daring eyes peeky-booing out, and is often seen. The Burka is pretty much never seen. I've never even seen one in London, where niqabs are everywhere. It's a total con. They're "banning" something pretty much noone wears.
so you admit to holding down your wife while she is being raped, being raised by some guy your momma was shaking up with AND being a paid troll. Now that is some big balls. Admission is the first step in redemption. or so they tell me.
This is simple math guys, Western Populations are being "outbred" by Muslims in particular. If you want to change it, change your own culture and fix being married and having kids. Or just wait until the kettle really boils over and violence begins I suppose
I agree with this ban, I believe the burqa is just another way for men to oppress women. Besides no way I'd wear it... would hide my really cool haircut
You're a fellow right-winger / conservative / traditionalist or whichever the best description is. Where do you stand on gay adoption / marriage? Men who "decide" they're women and vice versa, and "transgenderism" generally? "Women/men" who compete in, and destroy, women's sports events? The culture of feminism that is undermining natural society as the white western races produce ever fewer children and women basically strive to be men, in the name of "equality"? The concept of gender being a social construct and not a biological fact? The fact that a lot of this insanity is being forced on children in schools with no sanity-restoring counter facts? Are you so sure Muslims have got it wrong? Try any of that bullshit in a Muslim society and see how long your testicles remain intact. Ain't happening. I ask because I thought this for a long time, and have only recently started to modify my opinion. Muslims are surviving and prospering. We are dying out. The reason we're dying out is because is because we've abandoned natural society in the name of "equality" and all the horror thereof. Muslims respect natural society. Yeah, it sucks to walk around in a black bag, but is this such a bad downside to doing what you were born to do (procreate) without societal pressure to basically be a man? Is the Muslim woman's lot that bad? The more Muslims survive and prosper, and the more we decline, the more natural human society will return and the race of mankind will endure (all species die; it's just a question of how long they hold out). I believe we have lost the right to survive and should readily hand over the baton to the worthy successor "race" of Muslims. In any event, this is happening. Islam is a pile of dogcrap, but it underpins Muslim society. Without Islam there are no Muslims. The religion and the culture are indelibly connected. Much as I dislike Muslims and their religion, they represent the future of humanity and the proper respect of the laws of nature that in the past fifty years us white westerners have done so much to destroy. What do you think?
Maybe, we'll see. I do believe that the US, at least, will come to it's senses. As I look around the punditry space I see Americans of all stripes, from conservatives to libertarians to liberals, defending freedom of speech and intellectual honesty against the social justice warriors on one hand and honest bigots on the other. People think that Trumpist populism is on the rise, but under the surface I see something much brighter. I'm less optimistic regarding Europe. That's where you're wrong. My underlying point in this thread is that we can't simply look at Islamic culture as irretrievably backwards. Religiosity was not as dominant in the Middle East 40-50 years ago as it is now. There is no reason the Islamic world can't liberalize, and I hope that the United States plays a leading role in liberalizing it. History matters because it can point to causes and solutions. No. Even today countries like Germany have a significant religious split, potentially splitting Bavaria from the rest of Germany. Sure, it's nowhere near the 17th century in terms of religious intolerance, but I see no reason to believe that Europeans will be able to cope with a semi-significant population of Muslims. They're too identitarian in their politics, they roll a lot into what it means to be "French" or "German" or "Polish", whereas Americans are a little more freewheeling on that front.
My mistake, I totally misread your post and thought it said you thought Europe had a history of tolerance. I completely agree with you.
I'd say the white guys are being outbred by the black guys in a major way. Ireland is the top european population growth at number 103 in the world. The US is 127. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Population-growth-rate 1 Libya 4.85% 2013 2 Zimbabwe 4.38% 2013 3 South Sudan 4.23% 2013 4 Qatar 4.19% 2013 =5 Uganda 3.32% 2013 =5 Niger 3.32% 2013 7 Burundi 3.08% 2013 8 Burkina Faso 3.06% 2013 =9 Gaza Strip 3.01% 2013 =9 Mali 3.01% 2013 11 Western Sahara 2.96% 2013 12 Ethiopia 2.9% 2013 13 Zambia 2.89% 2013 =14 Turks and Caicos Islands 2.87% 2013 =14 United Arab Emirates 2.87% 2013 16 Congo, Republic of the 2.86% 2013 17 Benin 2.84% 2013 18 Tanzania 2.82% 2013 19 Angola 2.78% 2013 20 Malawi 2.74% 2013 21 Togo 2.73% 2013 =22 Rwanda 2.7% 2013 =22 Gambia 2.7% 2007 24 Madagascar 2.65% 2013 25 Guinea 2.64% 2013 26 Equatorial Guinea 2.58% 2013 27 Bahrain 2.57% 2013 28 Liberia 2.56% 2013 =29 Nigeria 2.54% 2013 =29 Democratic Republic of the Congo 2.54% 2013 31 Senegal 2.51% 2013 32 Yemen
So you're saying his opinion on burka's should be supported by another person's opinion? A little silly isn't that?
Hi Jim - I read "The Naked Civil Servant", the autobiography of Quentin Crisp, when I was quite young and thought hm to be one of the bravest men I'd ever heard of until that time. Someone who dared be what he was born to be, and I admired that. I am hopelessly hetrosexual but eventally fathered a Gay son so am ever grateful for the sacrifices Crisp and others made. I get mildly annoyed over some of the 'issues' like transgender toilets, as though this was a commonplace social problem, but feel it is a fashionable concern more than anything else. I prefer now to concentrate on issues that will more affect the long term. Muslims have it 100% wrong though they clearly don't know always that, or won't admit it.. It's not even close. I am for personal freedoms, in the do unto others sense, so exchanging short term trends for long term misery is not a good tradeoff for me. During the Cold War the public was very interested in all things Russian and how they may not be so bad after all. Now the common enemy is Islam so many are now suggesting that Islam isn't so bad. But it is. As Osama BL said 'People will follow the strong horse' but he didn't mention that behind that strong horse is a massive pile of horseshit. I don't think Muslims really respect anything. They just follow rules and traditions but step out of line and all respect disappears. I'll always support freedom, despite any suggested flaws. I also am a traditional man and enjoy the feeling and responsibility that comes with it. I have no respect for Muslim men and don't even like to call them men. Their treatment of women and children, and the power they enjoy exercising over others, is certainly not 'manly' to me. It's happening but the democracies are often caught by surprise by the ill wishes of others, as we can see from previous wars. Now many people are beginning to speak out, despite charges of "Islamophobia", a bit of borrowed propaganda similar to the old charges of 'Anti Communist". And it seems also that many Muslims are also leaving 'the faith' led, naturally, by Muslim women. I don't believe they are thriving or prospering. Even if Muslims were to run the world, as is their apparent ambition, it would be a mess within 18 months after the takeover. Even the leftists would eventually rebel. That's it and thanks for the interest. Now - What do you (and others) think??
It's even worse than that. People aren't just suggesting that Islam "isn't so bad," but they do everything they can to shut down honest discussion about Islam, Islamic culture, and it's relationship to the West. Any criticism of Islam or Islamic culture is painted, without reservation or hesitation, as "bigoted" at best. I'll push back every opportunity I get to what I see as misguided beliefs about Islam, Islamic culture, or Islamic history, but we have to be able to talk about that **** to understand anything.
No, silly. I'm saying in post #6 that his claims should either be documented or he should declare them to be opinions. If his first argument is factual, it can be documented. If his second argument is true, well, good luck proving its not just his personal opinion.
Jeanette handled this well and was going to ignore your response but what part of my post contained an 'unsupported opinion'? Do you not understand how silly a term that is? This was the post, btw.
How is there an honest discussion about Islam? Or who has tried to have an honest discussion? How does one have an honest discussion if one doesn't know the details of the religion? So if one's discussion is to criticize, how is that honest? Does the one criticizing know the details of all of Islam?
There is nothing 'conservative' about allowing big brother government to tell a woman that she is obliged via legislative statute to wear more revealing clothing than she chooses for herself. This is not about religious tolerance or protecting women from sexist husbands, its about government overreach into the private decisions of people without a pretty compelling state interest. Governmental disapproval of this woman's lifestyle as reflecting in her clothes, is not good enough. Neither is trying to force a minority to become more culturally normative or integrate. that is not the job of the supposedly 'limited' governmental function conservatives historically endorse.
Slow it down with the questions, yo. Not sure how to answer this. Two people talk about Islam without reservation or intent to deceive. Or more than two people I guess. Me, for one. I believe that Fred C Dobbs is, as well. Even people like Sobo are being honest. It really is a shame that more Muslims on these forums don't hop in on these discussions. It leaves me in the unusual positions of "defender" of Islam, which is certainly not my natural inclination. Nobody knows the details of the religion. Over the last 100 years Islam has diverged into a rather confusing array of sects with varying degrees of adherence. Even Muslims disagree about Islam. That's why we should discuss it freely and without reservation.
Any one who calls another degrading names is never being honest. They do that to make themselves feel better for some low self esteem. So, I don't think one who calls another cuck is being the least bit honest. So that leaves only Fred. The details of the religion are in the koran, but interpretation and language are ever changing. And most interpret words to fit their specific narrative. It is no different with Islam than it is with most any religon. Christianity is a good example. Look at all the different denominations, all thinking they have a better interpretation of a book. In the christian case, a bible. So with so many people and interpretations, how would an honest discussion happen. It doesn't even happen in the religion and philosophy section when discussing Christianity. Also, I don't think there are any, certainly not many, Muslims in these forums at this time.
