Best argument for banning abortion

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  1. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Not at the point which it becomes another life.

    You could use the same argument for "aborting" a 2 year old.
     
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    when you say a 2 year old child, you do realize your not counting the 9 months in the womb as time it was alive in that age

    you can not force a mother or father to to give their kidney, blood ect even to a 2 year old, that is still a choice

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    Because although the procedure is outlawed by the state the rebate for the procedure is given by the federal government - and it is that rebate figure that is being used to work out the number of abortions occurring here
     
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    So it isn't really illegal there, then.
     
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    [video=youtube;1gkf3yFNh80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkf3yFNh80[/video]
     
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    When one has no facts on their side one must resort to manipulating the emotions of the ignorant....:)
     
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    You mean I finally managed to convert you into sanity? :D
     
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    If it's your form of "sanity" , no thanks......I'll stick to using facts, you stick to emotions and silly videos....
     
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    It is hard to judge and we cannot discern whether abortion is good or bad. There are different points of view. If you are a true believer you cannot even kill flies or cockroaches since there is life no matter it is nonhuman
     
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    I am neither sexist or racist but differentiate between gender and race when these cause measurable factual differences when describing the human species. I do not feel most millionaire sports players are a benefit to the human species regardless of race. Few humans improve the dignity of humanity but are worthy of human dignity simply by being human. Dignity is perhaps too difficult a concept for the general United States' citizen?

    Killing a fetus requires hot giving the fetus enough human dignity. Killing a murderer with lethal injection or other method requires hot giving the murderer enough human dignity.

    I suggest "Human Dignity" by George Kateb an another place to start an inquiry might be Wikipedia.org.

    • In 2008, The President's Council on Bioethics tried to arrive at a consensus about what dignity meant but failed. Edmund D. Pellegrino, M.D., the Council's Chairman, says in the Letter of Transmittal to the President of The United States, "… there is no universal agreement on the meaning of the term, human dignity."

    You are not a bad person because of killing a fetus. You are not a bad person because of killing another person.
    1. Killing the fetus may or may not have been "bad" because the fetus was perhaps killed before realizing this was an individual human.
    2. Killing another person may or may not have been "bad" because the other person could have been an enemy trying to kill you or another.

    Doctors killing a fetus is often a violation of the Hippocratic oath. Few humans kill their own fetus. Many humans hire doctors to kill their fetus. Arkansas Act 301 does not punish women, per se, but revokes the medical license of doctors who violate the Hippocratic oath by frivolously killing a fetus. The Arkansas Medical Board would decide this as a jury of doctors.
     
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    As per your posts you are sexists and racist.....changing your own quotes, squirming , wriggling, won't change a thing.....:)

    """"""""""•In 2008, The President's Council on Bioethics tried to arrive at a consensus about what dignity meant but failed.""""""""

    ....and so have you.....


    I do agree with you that killing a fetus does not make anyone a bad person.


    I do disagree with you trying to soften your stance on punishing women for "killing their fetus" by claiming it's the doctor who is the actual killer.

    IF a person hires a hit man to kill someone and they do, the person who hired the hit man gets tried for murder and can get a sentence as long as the person who pulled the trigger. SO if any abortion is deemed to be "murder" then the women will be tired, sentenced and executed just as if THEY had "pulled the trigger"...THAT is what YOU want...
     
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    1st bolded sentence is a racist statement
     
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    When one WANTS to see racist statements, any statement including race will be used. I was referring to the allegation of ALL black people being persons but a fetus is not. How is that? What if the fetus was "black"? Almost more black babies were "aborted" in the U.S. last year than were born live. The "black" race is becoming diluted and impure along with every other race on Earth. Humanity will eventually become one race of people. America brought many "blacks" as slaves. The "black" race's clear physical superiority to the other races results in very many "white" women becoming brood-stock like Stanley Ann Dunham.
     
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    I was correct again, most sexists are racist..........
     
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    They may be. I think I am usually neither but admit to being almost human......

    Statement of Case
    . . . . .Arkansas voters assert human dignity begins with detectable heartbeats or the same test normally given to detect life because new fetal individuals have their own circulation system by 12-weeks. The Supreme Court attached human rights after “viability”, but should now recognize the Ninth Amendment right to give individual dignity to new individual with their own heartbeat and bloodstream though still fed from the mother via the placenta and not able to live outside the uterus.

    . . . . . “America” does not yet recognize the need to protect human dignity because Noah Webster created the “American English” dialect in 1790 by fiat. The existing British right to protect individual dignity was ignored and old British law from 1710 was copied without the 1735 and 1766 updates. These rights were later included in the UDHR. See App. UDHR. <<PDF

    . . . . .Human dignity is usually respected by most when humans are in comas, are on life support, are unresponsive, or are otherwise unable to exist alone. Human dignity warrants protection by honorable humans from the first individual heartbeat until the last. A fetus lacking complete “viability” as described by this Court should not result in the United States continuing to disrespect the dignity of individual unborn humans despite being protected for humans by the Ninth Amendment.

    . . . . . .The right to respect individual human dignity would have sustained the Roe v Wade ruling far better forty-plus years ago and would continue to this date without as much challenge due to solid Pro-life interests in free-will and the right to privacy.

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    For something to be dehumanizing it must deprive someone of positive human qualities. I see nothing about elective abortion that deprives unborn babies of positive human qualities. Even if it does, it doesn't trump the right of women to abort their pregnancies.

    All I see is that unborn babies are human beings from the moment of conception and therefore possess the same equal rights and obligations as the rest of us. That means they have a right to life as well as an obligation to obtain consent. Without their mother's consent, an unborn baby has no right to remain in it's mother's body and she is under no obligation to keep it. Which means she has every right to have it removed. But that also means that the sole purpose of abortion is to end unwanted pregnancies, not to kill babies. The baby's death may be unavoidable in early term abortions but doctors should be legally required to make every effort to save the babies life, if possible, while performing abortions. They certainly shouldn't be using techniques that unnecessarily harm the baby, especially in late term abortions, or snipping their spines after they are born.
     
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    Women have a right to abort gestation for 11-weeks to preserve autonomy.
    Once 12-weeks pass and a fetal heart beat exists, the right to autonomy and dignity must be weighed and aborting gestation is not allowed except for exceptions.

    The whole fetal consent idea is a FRAUD or HOAX {TheNightFly} swallowed hook line and stinker.
    This FRAUD or HOAX required elevating autonomy of the human female so high as to ignore the human dignity of a fetus.
     
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    What he posted is true IF a fetus is ever deemed a person.
     
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    It will never need to be deemed a person to warrant human dignity.
     

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