Best argument for banning abortion

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Says science and the law....they outrank you. :)
     
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    Source citation need to back your claim. So far all you have is the argument of "so you say thus it is" which is illogical by my measure of logic. Link me the specific scientific source that proves that an abortion does not produce a corpse and the specific law that determines what constitutes a corpse.
     
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    You, me, and every human alive was viable at 12-weeks gestation and have survived outside a womb. Some are proud and have as a life-mission keeping the womb the most dangerous place for a human fetus. There are not enough fetal murdering women or men to perpetuate this dishonorable exception to human law(s) based on a 42 year old decision discovered to be an honorable mistake
     
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    You people who want to ban abortion make me sick. This planet is over populated with Humans that we have become a parasite to the health of this planet. Your a threat to all other living creatures that have a right to have their own space to live and raise their young. Many are going extinct because Humans think they are above all other life forms and take their home territory so Humans can expand into theirs.

    What happens when you all finally get your way to ban abortion and now are so over populated that millions will be dying a slow death of starvation. Would that satisfy you anti-abortionists?
     
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    merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corpse
    1. archaic : a human or animal body whether living or dead
    2. a : a dead body especially of a human being
    . . b : the remains of something discarded or defunct <the corpses of rusting cars>

    Sorry; ma'am, but try again or don't try again to appear intellectual. No human attempt will make any difference with respect to whether killing a human fetus continues disguised as wimmen's rights or wimmen's liberty and cloaking fetal human murder(s) as healthcare for another year.
     
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    I do not want to ban all artificial abortion of gestation but limit abortion of gestation to the first 11-weeks of gestation.

    Starvation has VERY LITTLE to do with overpopulation and artificial abortion of gestation has had absolutely no impact on overpopulation. Wholesale sterilization in less prosperous countries would reduce human starvation, but only there. Mandating medicated abortion of pregnancy in less prosperous countries would be less costly and easier as food donated with birth control added but then also with quarterly abortaficients.

    motherearthnews.com/../.../why-people-starve

    Humans ARE above all other life forms on this planet and will ALWAYS be. There is NO absolute right to space on earth and this should be obvious even through rose-colored glasses. Nothing useful to humanity will be, or was ever, allowed to become extinct.
    Population controls in even China were recently relaxed.
     
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    Happy Winter Solstice, Saturnalia and Festivus. The law is not archaic, and any revisions are going to be in the opposite direction of 301. And virgin birth? That's a bigger fairy tale than SCOTUS giving your twice aborted 301 the time of day...:roflol:
     
  8. FoxHastings

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    Did you have a point ?
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    No, NO one was viable, able to survive outside the womb at 12 weeks.


    Your first sentence above reads like something from science fiction or hallucinations.

    "Every human alive survived outside the womb at 12 weeks"".....:roll:

    PROVE IT . :)

    Abortion has been "perpetuated " since the first humans on earth, it's not 42 years old :roflol:


    Try some facts if you have any ....haven't seen anything but raving so far...
     
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    """There is NO absolute right to space on earth and this should be obvious even through rose-colored glasses""""

    That's what I've been trying to tell you ...the fetus has no right to expect space on earth.......it has no rights...
     
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    """No human attempt will make any difference with respect to whether killing a human fetus continues disguised as wimmen's rights or wimmen's liberty and cloaking fetal human murder(s) as healthcare for another year. """

    Bolded is CORRECT!!
    You are learning!!!

    However , your refusal to treat women with DIGNITY by spelling "women" correctly doesn't help you to appear intellectual at all...but does show the disrespect/dislike for them...
     
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    One does have a right to commit suicide. One doesn't have the right to kill someone else though.
     
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    """"I do not want to ban all artificial abortion of gestation but limit abortion of gestation to the first 11-weeks of gestation."""


    WHY? Isn't it human BEFORE 11 weeks? Yes, it is.....YOU don't mind killing a human life before a certain date ...why do YOU get to choose???
     
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    The zygote, blastocyst, and embryo are not yet humans and may be frozen and may be placed in cold storage for later use. A frozen human is ALWAYS dead. The exact date a fetal human begins life is indeterminate and is not testable. The "fetus" has a detectable heartbeat by 12-weeks or is dead.
    I did not choose but supported this law.
     
  15. FoxHastings

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    It's hilarious how you continually contradict yourself

    ""The exact date a fetal human begins life is indeterminate and is not testable""


    YUP! That's why the law settles for VIABLE....:)


    You : ""The zygote, blastocyst, and embryo are not yet humans""...................no, but they are HUMAN life....and YOU don't afford them any DIGNITY
     
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    Dodge noted, and yes I do have a point, that your previous claim is baseless as you cannot or will it back it up with a source. That being said I take your past claim as opinion rather than fact.
     
  17. FoxHastings

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    It's not a dodge, it's called a question when that little squiggly thing, a question mark(?) , is on the end.


    Most abortions do not result in a "corpse" , it's hazardous waste that goes out with the hazardous waste .


    Is there some argument on abortion that bases the legality on the definition of a corpse?? I really doubt it.....so my question is answered, you have no point .
     
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    Please DO show an unbiased, factual, scientific account of a 12 week old fetus that survived outside the womb.
     
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    Obama was at one time a 12-week old fetus inside a white female womb. Obama was fathered by a Kenyan Arab-Negro. White women who are impregnated by an Arab-Negro face raising a child who will retain the dominant traits of the Arab-Negro race and some traits of the white race. Obama, and everyone over 40, was a viable human at 12-weeks gestation and were not aborted. "Viable" is a term used by many in the abortion discussion but the word has no special meaning except for abortionists and most elderly judges. The word in the OED is linked. SCOTUS used this word as a term in 1973 to describe a human fetus that would survive if artificially removed from the womb. My use of the word viable twice in my petition for certiorari was italicized on page (8, 13)and noted to not be the term redefined by SCOTUS.

    from page 8
    . . .America allows balancing of diminished human dignity for convicts to allow retribution or revenge for victims or the public to excuse a “death-penalty”. The cruel fact now for years has been, -elective killing was not done for capital punishment alone, but also for unborn fetal individuals when these humans are not yet “viable” in the eyes of this Court. Ironically; These unborn individuals might one day be President like today after born to a “white” mother and Negro father but not then aborted due to an assumed “burden” of raising a biracial child.
    < 8 >

    from page 13
    . . .Yes; Supreme Court jurisdiction is discretionary but the Beck v Edwards et. al., (15-448)) case and this have one honorable result. This Court either recognizes human dignity and allows Act 301 to be enforced or this Court becomes dishonorable and no longer “viable” as earth's only remaining authority ruling for life, besides the Pope. Democracy is still alleged after Citizens United made democracy a wholly absurd, fraudulent claim. .....
    < 13 >

    My petition may be denied without comment but was already NOT ignored! SCOTUS judges, good U.S. counselors, and all SCOTUS clerks will remember this amicus filed as a petition for certiorari from now on.
     
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    Sure they do it happens quite a bit
     
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    Agreed. I would vote for doctor assisted suicide in a heartbeat. We don't want people to kill themselves and we try to prevent those sorts of things, but technically it's their right.
     
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    Whether it is morally bankrupt or not (which it is not) is 100% irrelevant in a court of law.

    I really want you to prove that a female places a fetus inside herself . .this should be interesting.

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    Best argument for banning abortion .... there isn't one
     
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    I think this is a good argument (if not a primary reason abortion should be banned) actually. :thumbsup:

    If the woman can withdraw her sustenance from the developing fetus, it is still a dead body, and deserves to be treated with dignity.
    That's not necessarily a reason abortion should be completely banned, but at the very least it is a reason for the current abortion procedures to be radically altered. The woman decided to revoke the gift of life; now at the very least she owes her baby a death with dignity.
     

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