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I have no problem with people not taking the vaccine, those people will die and solve the problem.

 

are you?

 

And don't forget herd mentality:


President Trump is a GENIUS!

 

Any reply by leftists after this is just embarrassing.

 

False….

 

Then you have a very peculiar definition of freedom...

 

I think you have a very peculiar definition of what life is like in my country….

 

Mexico and points south...Thanks joe...

 

More vaccinated people die from Covid than unvaccinated who already had the virus and have better immunity. You know, that 99% survivability rate thing,

 

Nope
I don't harbor some false sense of security thinking one person with multiple aliases is trying to silence me
I don't think I am being repressed or silenced by the masses on a political board
I don't think because multiple posters call me out on garbage post that they are all just one person with multiple accounts who created those accounts just to attack me
I don't make media regurgitation claims then refuse to back them up with any data while deflecting any question about my post
I don't plagiarize other peoples post to play the (I know you are but what am) game
I don't make the same false claim post hundreds of times in every thread because I have no original content or imagination I can provide on my own

Those are just for our brave little keyboard warriors.

 

Define quite good.

 

23 states (most with lower populations) have worse per capita Covid deaths than Florida who has the largest retirement population of all of them.

 

You are in for a long long wait.

 

When you have people on the nightly.news for coughing in an otherwise unoccupied elevator or for stepping outside for a breath of fresh air, I think suggesting that your country is free is disinformation.

 

Much better than say New York or Ca which are top ten in per Capita death rate.

 

I say I do not know who anyone really is, I don't have thin skin and run to the mods every time, you can try to put me down for that if you wish

were all anonymous posters, some not even Americans, some just pretending to be... I take it with a grain of salt

so continue on... lol

 

That isn’t why those people were arrested….

 

Yes it is you can tell co I'd protocols all you like but the fact of the .matter is going outside with it without a vaccine is now against the law in Australia.

 

Try again...your sentence makes no sense....

 

Uh, yeah. What ever. Nothing to do with my post but, what ever

 

Not entirely true (partially true for NY although you'll see how I'd dispute that, but in any case blatantly false for Ca).

In deaths per 1 million inhabitants Florida is #10 with 2,561 while California is #33 with 1,757. I can't start comprehending how you got this so wrong regarding California. Oh, I know how. Knee jerk. You though, "California is liberal so they must have done poorly" and you didn't even bother checking. Uh, sorry, but they didn't do poorly.

Now, New York suffered from being such an international city and getting to be the first epicenter with all the foreign tourists seeding the virus there, while we still didn't know how to treat this disease. At the time we were still using early invasive ventilation (a disaster; killed more people than saved due to pulmonary fibrosis; now we do high flow oxygen in prone position and delay invasive ventilation until the last possible moment, with much better results); we hadn't realized that dexamethasone and enoxaparin were needed to stop the cytokine storm and the intravascular coagulation that are big killers in a severe Covid case; we didn't have the Regeneron cocktail which saves a lot of high risk patients; and we didn't have the vaccines which do dramatically decrease the number of deaths. So that's really unfair to New York. They are still, despite the early onslaught, only a bit worse than Florida, with 2,878 deaths per million inhabitant. Considering that most of these happened in the early days of the pandemic when we had no tools to use against the virus and had no clue about how to treat it, I don't think that it is fair to say that NY did worse than FL.

If the outbreak in FL had happened at a time when we didn't know how to treat severe Covid, had no monoclonal antibodies, no vaccines, etc., I'm absolutely certain that you'd see that difference of about 300 deaths per million inhabitants, reverse. This is easily seen if you look at the rate of deaths per confirmed infections (called the case-fatality rate). At the beginning of the pandemic it was 3.7%. Now it is 1.6%. So that's a 3.1% huge difference in mortality rate between the beginning of the pandemic and the current state of it (again, this is for confirmed cases, not for asymptomatic undiagnosed cases, so don't be surprised at this 3.7% number). If you apply this 3.1% excess to the confirmed cases in FL, which are 3,626,799, that gives you a huge 112,430 deaths that Florida avoided but could have had if the bulk of their epicenter outbreak had happened in a time when the case-fatality rate was 3.7%; so FL got lucky that their surge only happened when the CFR was much lower thanks to therapeutic and preventive advancements.

So these deaths avoided in FL thanks to a huge difference in case-fatality rates (which has to do with scientific advancements in therapeutics and preventive tools; not anything to do with how a state government deals with the pandemic), amount to a whooping 5,300 additional deaths per million inhabitant... (Divide 112,430 per 21, given that we are calculating deaths per million inhabitants and FL's population is 21 million). Sure, not 100% of NY deaths happened when the CFR was 3.7%, and not 100% of the FL deaths happened when the CFR was 1.6%... but given that the difference between these two states is only about 300 deaths per million inhabitant, and these additional deaths number if all of them had happened in the beginning of the pandemic goes all the way up to 5,300 per million inhabitants, you can see that it wouldn't have taken much to reverse this ranking if FL had had their epicenter earlier than NY.

Do you see the soundness of this reasoning? I won't be doing the precise calculations month per month because it would be a lot of work, but this CAN be done if someone is committed enough to finding it out. If we were to compare month to month FL's and NY's deaths and once we obtained a table for the entire pandemic for these two states, we reversed the order and applied to Florida's last month's confirmed cases, the nation's first month's CFR, and to New York's first month's confirmed cases, the nation's last month's CFR, and to Florida second to last month's confirmed cases, the nation's second month's CFR, and to NY's second month's confirmed cases, the nation's second to last CFR, and so on and so forth... (See what I'm doing? I'm reversing the temporal order, month to month) we'd find the final numbers that would have been expected, and I'm 100% sure that this calculation would then reverse the difference, in favor of NY (and likely by a whole lot). There is just no way that this 300-death difference in favor of Florida wouldn't melt away if Florida had had their outbreak at a time when the national fatality rates were what they were when NY had theirs.

Also, consider that the difference would have been even bigger, because I'm generous when I'm considering the current 1.6% as the current rate... The current rate is actually smaller than that, because the 1.6% rate is found when calculating it against the full total of US deaths, which INCLUDES the early ones. If we were to look at just the current death rate without the early ones, the CFR would drop even lower, adding to Florida's lucky advantage. Looking at just new cases versus new deaths for yesterday, the rate drops to 1.4%. Given the 2-4 week delay between a new infection and a new death, I'm prepared to bet that the rate would be even lower (but I don't have on me the number of new cases, say, 3 weeks ago - this info is available but I don't feel like looking it up right now).

In any case, we don't even need to go through the several hours of trouble to do this calculation of reversing the timeline for FL and NY. It's sufficient to think of this: if you think that "quite good" in a country with 50 states and one federal district, is to only beat 9 states (while still benefitting from a later surge with better therapeutics and prevention) and to do worse than 40 states + DC (and also worse than all 5 territories), think again. So of the 56 geopolitical entities in the United States, Florida despite only having a late surge, was still only better than 9 and was worse than 46, and you call that "quite good"???

Florida is also way above the national average in deaths per 1 million inhabitants, which is 2,175.

So, come again?

I'd call "quite good" states like Vermont and Hawaii. 514 and 571 deaths per million inhabitant, respectively.

Source for all the numbers above: today's Worldometers numbers (you can click on the Deaths Per Million Inhabitants column to sort the ranking by this indicator).

 

Could you provide a source that supports this statement, the part in bold? It's sort of not comparative.

 

you're the one that made a big deal of it and tried to make it personal, why, don't know

 

Biden is pushing people to take the vaccine, he can't be blamed for Trump supporters refusing to take it

now if Biden was pushing for people not to take it, and that led to more deaths, sure, that would be on Biden

 

How do you figure that Mexico and points south are responsible for increasing our rates, when THEIR rates are smaller than ours??? That's a statistical impossibility.

I've extensively addressed this issue before in a previous post (you might use the search function to find the post, if you're interested), with simple examples using easy-to-understand numbers, such as "if a border town of 1,000 people absorbs 100 illegal aliens" etc., and then I plotted to the populations, the US infection rates, and to the illegal aliens, their country's infection rates, and then I used the R-naught number (basic reproduction number) and looked at how many infected Americans would spread the disease to how many people, and how many infected aliens would spread the disease to how many people... I was able to mathematically demonstrated that a population with a lower infection rate to begin with, cannot be responsible for being the main force driving the infection rate of a population that has a higher infection rate to begin with.

It's interesting how people never think of that...

This said, I'm strongly and decisively against illegal immigration and I do not approve of the Biden Administration's handling of this problem.

Just, I do not scapegoat the illegal aliens regarding Covid-19 infection rates because I know that this would be mathematically impossible. So I do blame them for a lot of other problems and I want them all out and all deported if possible, but I do know that our infection rates are not caused by them.

There is another indirect way to realize the soundness of what I'm saying. Just look at what variants spread in the United States and became dominant here, overtaking the original Wuhan strain.

First we had the Alpha... it came from the United Kingdom. Then the Delta took over that one... it came from India.

Points south, the variants are the Gamma, the Lambda, and the Mu... and neither one got an expressive foothold in the United States, like the Alpha and the Delta did.

So, no, our contagion is not coming from south of the border... and is not coming from illegal aliens. The UK and India are not countries that typically send illegal aliens to us. They send tourists, businessmen, engineers, information technology experts, etc., and their families. Pretty much all with legal visas... These are the folks who brought our dominant variants here... not the folks from south of the border.

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US rates: #1
Mexico's: #15
Guatemala's: #51
Honduras': #70
El Salvador's: #109
... and so on.

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Regarding countries south of our border, only Brazil and Argentina have rates in the top 10, #3 and #9 in the world, but they don't typically send expressive numbers of illegal aliens here (and even if they did, their rates are still smaller than ours). The countries that do, like some of the above-listed, have rates much smaller than ours.