For storytelling purposes. Romance/Love/Relationships are one of the most important themes in most storytelling since it's an integral part of life. People identify with relationships they see since they have experienced the same or at least similar things. Furthermore, social interactions of any kind, including romantic relationships, are arguably the most important thing in society. That is the reason why there is almost always a romantic subplot, whether hetero- or homosexual in nature, in any story. After all, action movies wouldn't actually need romances most of the time and yet there is almost always some kind of romantic subplot going on, just as an example. So a homosexual relationship in a story helps to sell said story to certain groups who identify with said relationship. Furthermore, such a relationship often brings a certain kind of tension into the story as well. You quite often have the whole coming-out/ social acceptance plotlines going on when a homosexual relationship is present, something that oftentimes is not as prominently featured in heterosexual relationships. To put it simply, you have added drama in your story. And it is exactly this kind of drama that many people like to read about, including straight guys. I know several straight guys who, if they read or watch a romantic plot, prefer those story revolving around homosexual relationships for exactly that reason. And finally, most writers, I presume, want to reflect reality as it is. Since homosexual relationships exist in reality, they are bound to creep up in some stories. It's as simple as that.
1.7% of the adult population claim to engage in homosexuality. That does not sound like a big target market to me. Again, why is how one has sex germane to a comic book?
Why do you care? Free speech remember? Writers are certainly free to create their characters however they please. If you don't agree with it you are certainly free to not read it. I'm sure everyone knows at least one gay person. Having a gay character in a universe as large as the xmen is not at all farfetched. Also Northstar was always intended to be gay by his creator, and came out of the comic closet in 1992. Its not like this is a recent scandal.
And that is only one group interested in homosexual relationships in stories. Probably the biggest group interested in such stories are straight females under the age of 40. That's the reason why Shonen-Ai/Yaoi/Slash stories, written by women for women, have increased enormously in popularity the last couple of years. If you'd go to online story archives like fictionpress.net or fanfiction.net you would see how many stories about homosexual relationships exist there. Or how about amazon.com. There are almost 37,000 books in the 'Gay&Lesbian" section alone. I have no idea how many other books include at least one homosexual character besides that number. So there is obviously a big market for that. And I'm sure that even if there wasn't a big market for stories about homosexual relationships than there would still be instances where they appear as side characters at the very least. Every author who is interested in creating or emulating a realistic, multi-layered and involving world would probably include them since homosexual relationships exist in reality.
Well, gives a whole new meaning to the term "X-Men" doesn't it? X marks the spot he wants to poke you in!!! And the fact his name is "North"star????.....lmao!!! "Wolverine, my "Northstar" wants to tickle your "X" spot!" I jest, but it is stupid that they have gay characters in comics. But the left is pretty sure there is no gay agenda out there....lol. PS: I think his butt buddy should be named "Rimmer". Northstar & Rimmer. If they are gonna go through with this stupid crap, might as well go all the way with it and seal the X-Men's final demise. Which is totally possible after the horrible trilogy they came out with.
Its no more stupid then having straight characters. There is no "gay agenda". That's a figmintation of paranoid bigots. There are gay people with lives and relationships. Sometimes authors chose to portray them. I fail to see why that is an issue with anyone.
And right on que! A liberal walks in to tell us all there is no gay agenda, queers all over TV, in coloring books, movies, news, politics...lol. But no agenda. Yeah, it is pretty stupid to have gay characters in comics. And way to go full blown on the "bigot" nonsense...lol. Are you calling me a bigot? I just wantto know so I can send it off as a report or not.
Well...disagree on that one. The 1.7% statistic alone, tells you one is a deviancy from the norm. Not sure why we need to pretend it's the same thing at all. But we do agree on one part. Free Speech and Free Market will handle this. If they want to go that route, I hope for their sake it fares better than Alpha Flight did. Certainly I wouldn't choose to buy this book, and I'm sure many others feel the same way. We'll see how Marvel makes out I guess.
If there's more than 50 super heroes out there, not representing that 2% would be a presentation that deviates from the norm. It would be as strange as a universe filled with only right handed, black haired, 5' 8.5" people. Who by the way, would not be Caucasian. ... and the Uncanny X-Men has never been a book intended for those who imagine an unexceptional world populated with only average characters. It's always spotlighted and explored the exceptional and unique. .
It always has been... What the flip are you talking about? Why not ? You can say that Superman and Lois are humping out of wedlock, but OH NO no man on man stuff No way! Spidey and his LIST of females he humped Pah leeze I suggest you open up a comic before you try to argue with someone who collects them How about this you name me a comic that has been going on for over 20 years that doesnt have sex involved? Riddle me that one genius
Well, i sure hope they get the correct percentage of BDSMers, Bestaility and those that love the Fecal Matter too. Afterall, we dont want to deviate from that norm right? Just have to represent everyones "healthy normal" choices.
I wonder if they are going to have the commencement shown in the comic book also? This whole thing is stupid!! I don't see how being gay really matters to someone who just wants to read a comic book. Where exactly does this fit into the plot of the story?
Oh I'm not advocating sticking strictly to the norm, just pointing out there is nothing abnormal about recognizing homosexuality. It's actually pretty common. But normal isn't that special. Normal is a statistical result of mediocre performance, insignificant luck, average choices, and/or unambitious goals. The only folks who think normal is an admirable objective are the ones in the bottom 50% of any sample. ... and while I won't fault you for what you love or hope, I do question as to whether some of your preferences are healthy.
Oh of that I was aware lol. We'll disagree on that. Those who are in the norm are the ones who keep our species going, and tend to work well in a society IMO. Common really doesn't mean it's appropriate, healthy or the same as something else. Oh I know some of my preferences are not healthy. For example I'm a smoker, I love tobacco. The difference is that I am able to admit some of my choices are not natural, and are not healthy. I do not expect that by simple argument of numbers of others who also do it..that we are somehow normal too, and I don't advocate a need to highlight characters who smoke in comics, even though it's likely a larger demographic.
Finish the whole comic book story line! He is a dead sperm who died in the vaginal canal, who just wasn't strong enough to implant the egg. Or we can do a bizarro storyline, where he is a dead sperm in Northstar's anal cavity. It could be one of those crossover storylines!
Unlikely. There are very few people, if any, on this planet who are entirely in the norm. It's much more common to be exceptional. In fact the exceptional people not only lead our businesses, make our scientific discoveries, and serve as our heroes... but folks with exceptional lifestyles, abnormal traits, or uncommon character are the majority. Not sure how the word 'natural' crept into that conversation. But no one is saying you need to highlight characters who smoke or happen to be gay, simply enjoy the different characters that populate the comic world and the highlights of their lives. Including the ones who happen to be gay or enjoy a good pipe.
Except of course when you say they are the "majority"...This relegates them to now being "the norm". So thanks for defending my point. Not sure why you'd red flag it. I was simply pointing out that smoking is a very unnatural thing to do, if you looked at life across this planet it is not normal for someone to partake in. It has relevance to the point I made. And as a matter of honesty and consistancy I am NOT afraid to highlight something of myself that i would also feel had no place being the focal point of a comic character. And I would agree with that except for the fact that we ARE having this highlighted for us. These things actually make news headlines, as if we all need to know. I think that's the big issue with alot of people when this "inevitably just happens to come up" And that Batman pic was from the 30s or 40s LOL. You wont see Batman doing that today, but I can't rule out that Dc would make him gay if they thought they could get away with it....and we'd all have it highlighted to us so we wouldn't miss it.
I bought the New 52 Detective Comics 1 & 2, hoping to give it to my boys....lol. I quickly realized between the half naked sex scene and the raw violence, their momma would shoot me. The joker slaughtered one guy, stabbed him like 30 times, then had his face cut off and sown to someone else's body. Pretty psychotic stuff. Comics have become trash. I also bought Action Comics 1 & 2 and Superman 1 & 2. Guess what? Lois having sex with some guy before Clark knocked on her door. Again...trash. Kid comics???? Where did they go????? Add in the gays and you got a big gigantic comic book sex fest.
Yeah stopped collecting years ago as they became too serious and lost the fun. I know that alot of the market for comics got older...but I think they are forgetting that those who are older now grew to love comics when they were kids. So, they make them more mature to keep this generation interested...but what are they doing to get the younger ones hooked like we were? This segment is going to die out, and they may not have a new wave of readers. Seems shortsighted to me. I still enjoy buying some of the Graphic Novels/trade paperbacks.....of the Older, fun filled stories. The new stuff lost me.
Were the sex scenes homosexual? Trying to understand your correlation here. I'm sure you can find comics aimed for children. Batman hasn't been geared towards children in a long time.
...like I said, women are the reason our society is going to hell because they adore abnormalties... Kabuki Joe
