Can't we just vote for Trump?

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by yangforward, Feb 16, 2024.

  1. 19Crib

    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe we should pay American citizens to harvest our crops and let the wages and prices rise until we can reach an equilibrium of citizen wages and the market price Americans will pay.
     
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  2. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. The swamp wants companies to save money by hiring cheap immigrants,

    but then how does the citizen who does not get a job survive? Either
    through unemployment pay or one of those make-work jobs the country
    is full of, government bureaucracy and jobs contracted
    from the 'defense industry' which does nothing for our defense.

    The US citizen still needs to survive, so the end result it company profits
    are increased and the govt prints money and everyone's debt increases.

    To keep jobs in the US and done by US citizens would keep our debts
    in balance and Americans usefully employed.
     
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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Bingo.

    While Trump has his issues (who doesn't?), I like peace more than I like war and I like economic prosperity more than I like economic depression.
     
  4. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    An excessive limit compared to NO limit is no poison pill. Such ridiculous propaganda they feed and people swallow.
     
  5. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Not a single point you made is both true and not applicable to Trump. If more Americans thought like you I am sure Putin would be optimistic about taking more countries.
     
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    yep, taxing imports is needed for sure, things will cost more, but if wages rise with them, all is good
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's nothing you can say that will convince people that have never taken responsibility for anything in their lives.
     
  8. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I should have added the most obvious sentence in my last post

    President XYZ ( the current president from opposite party) is the worst POTUS in my life time.
     
  9. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    It's also worth nothing, however, that while conservative and liberal historians rank Biden quite differently, both conservative and liberal historians rank Trump poorly.

    They also tend to rank Lincoln #1, though, but I don't think preserving the union was the right decision in retrospect.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And who is checking to counters count. Biden intentionally opened the border, now that it is an election issue, the tiger changes his stripes! Hogwash.

    The elites are not on board with workers owning homes, buying boats, and diesel tricks to pull them.
    They talk the talk but Trump focused his energies on those who do the work.
     
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  11. JohnHamilton

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    So you would have been in favor of have slavery continue for a longer period. ???

    There are historians who argue that the North and South would have gotten back together eventually if the South had been allowed to leave. The question is when? What they were still separated when World War II started. Would North America been as strong against the Axis and Japan if it had still been divided into two countries?

    Lincoln was right, but I grant you that it came at a heavy cost.
     
  12. LiveUninhibited

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    It wasn't about slavery in the north. It wasn't about slavery to Lincoln. Slavery was important to the south. Likely they would have abandoned it under international pressure and industrialization. The emancipation proclamation happened earlier than they likely would have abandoned slavery, though.

    The problem with keeping them together is the persistent drag on social progress that the south continued to represent, as far as the north is concerned, and just the cultural near-incompatibility that has caused our country much pain ever since.

    I don't think so. They're culturally very different and that divergence would have continued. A military pact would be unsurprising, though.

    Hard to predict. America wasn't that decisive for Germany - more like the straw that came really late to break the camel's back as far as direct military intervention goes. Material support could come either way, D-day logistics would have been harder assuming it even came to that. Japan I'm not sure about at all. They were no match at all for America's industrial might. Had America been divided, Japan may have established an empire as they hoped but wouldn't have come for America's mainland. It's likely that the cold war would have been very different, and instead Japan and the Soviets would have been the countries vying to be the asian imperial power. This could have resulted in a weaker or stronger soviet empire ultimately.

    I don't see how he was right. It wasn't because he predicted the need to defeat Nazis and Japs. He did not respect the autonomy of the South, and instead thought that preserving the union was more important than lives or their right to self-determination. Perhaps he discounted their right to self-determination because of slavery. He was morally wrong. The question on whether it worked out better or would have worked out better without it is more speculative.

    As far as I recall, his reasoning had a lot to do with preserving the only democratic government at the time when most of the world was still monarchies. He had to prove democratic republicans can work. Ironically, he proves that by going against the democratic wishes of the south. Would the south seceding prove democratic republics are inferior to monarchies? No. Both north and south would have continued to exist without monarchies.

    So yeah, he meant well, he lead effectively, but on the fundamental question of what was moral he was wrong.
     
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  13. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, that is neoliberalism; companies save money by hiring immigrants, the govt pays the American
    who didn't get employment, so overall the companies make money and the public lose out.

    Pretty much all politics is like that - rip off the public - enrich the millionaires.
     
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    that is greedy Corporatism.... and yes, it's destroying Capitalism
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes it's interesting how the big things in America, Neoliberalism and Neo conservativism aren't
    mentioned in the news, just endless details, wrongly described, to form public opinion which
    they do very effectively.

    Rip them off and keep them distracted.
     
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    I agree, we should vote in Trump. But with regards to Israel, Trump is going to be even more in support of them than Biden.

    And that's not a bad thing.
     
  17. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Support of Israel is often conflated with killing Palestinians,
    both benefit the weapons industry.
     
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    Can someone tell me why 2 old men should even be considered for the position of Potus. IMO no-one over the age of 70 should be in such a position as to have ask where and what the 'red button' when Russia pulls the trigger. And how anyone can't see Trump for what he is beats me. But then I'm from across the pond.
     
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    How?
     
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    The European media in some ways is even worse than the CBC here in Canada... or CNN in the USA.....
    President Donald J. Trump may have scared so many influential people in Europe... .and in the Washington and Ottawa and Jerusalem Swamp........

    that no BigMedia outlet seems capable of saying even one kind word about him....... with the possible exception of Fox News..... once in a while????!!!!


    Guilty people who are fully of shame who know perfectly well that they have behaved terribly.....
    have a lot to fear from somebody like President Donald J. Trump.......

    Al Gore and Bill Gates get lots of positive hype in the European and Canadian media......
    but it is my honest opinion that The Al Gore Carbon Tax will DO NOTHING TO PREVENT OCEAN LEVELS FROM RISING.....

    BUT no BigMedia outlet will write honestly about this......


    England is all set up to become a driving force in the world economy.....


    Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that world atmospheric temperatures rose by three degrees.....
    ocean levels rose by more than twenty meters in roughly four centuries.........

    but although London and The Netherlands are extremely vulnerable to the threat of rising ocean levels no BigMedia outlet will write clearly about the obvious implications of the following numbers......
    .......
    ........

    Does the growth of ice on Antarctica explain why sea level have been stable?



     
  21. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being across the pond is very different. The US is very wealthy and housing
    is a lot cheaper, the economy is therefore a different shape.

    Both are however in the Anglosphere and get fed most of the same lies.

    And to make it worse, a lot of words over here either don't exist, are
    conflated with other words, or have different meanings, particularly
    in politics which over here is almost incomprehensible, so don't try
    discussing it without an interpreter.
     
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    I have been following US politics for decades. I do not understand how people can vote for a man who acts like a dictator, is immoral, steals from his partners and donators, is racist (in combination with his father 60 years ago) and plays the religious card to get votes. And played golf when problems needed solving. He did little for the US except making your country a laughing stock round the world. The Chinese loved his 'America first' and continued expanding THEIR influence round the world - even to South America. Kim loved him. Putin loved him. Like all incoming Presidents most of his successes were started by the outgoing president's policies which cannot be just shut off. Obama brought the US through a difficult period - particularly when Congress denied him money for his policies after the 2008 crash.
    Both Biden and Trump are showing signs of senility - to be polite - forgetfulness. When we have someone in power who is useless we get rid by the party voting him/her out.
    Our unwritten constitution keeps up with the times by changes in the law. Yours is unbelievably out of date. Sadly the US might be great militarily but that is all.
    Incidentally the UK is going down the ..... under its curent government. We have the chance to change that in this years elections.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How?
    Who makes the decisions to send 2,000 pound bombs to Israel?
    How many have we sent?
    How are those bombs used defensively?

    Do you know how many deaths Joe Biden and his backers have caused?
    Do you know who started the war in Ukraine?
    The war in Ukraine is currently costing the US taxpayer 1/3 of a million dollars per Ukrainian killed.
    Joe's war is both a financial and a humanitarian disaster.
    Do tell me what Trump did that was worse.
    I'm all ears.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll have to apologize, I take a simple approach to politics, I just
    count the bodies and go from there, not usually much further.
     
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    Do you know how many deaths your boss in the Kremlin has caused? Do you realize that he started this war?
     
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