Christianity & Islam Similarities

LOLOL I think sky gods were around long before Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

 

both religions worship the Jewish God...

 

Well, no, they don't.

In fact, Christians create all kinds of excuses to explicitly avoid nearly all of the commandments given by the Jewish god. Worship includes obedience. Christians are not adherents to Judaism, its tenets or its god.


As for the Muslims, Mohammad borrowed greatly from the Hebrew bible for lack of his own content and something familiar to others. Of course, Joseph Smith did the same thing. But borrowing iconic imagery is not worshipping the Jewish god anymore than celebrating Christmas makes someone a worshipper of Jesus.

Let's face it: the Quran, as far as literature goes, is a revisionist peice, meant to retell those stories to the exclusion of Jewish belief, practice and culture. It is an overhaul; a rewrite. It is meant to take credit for things to which it has no claim solely for the sake of usurping adherents. Allah is a counterfeit and the Quran claims outright that the Jewish versions are incomplete and inaccurate. The Quran is not a compliment or continuation of jewish worship.

While Yahweh and Allah are both said to have been responsible for the same acts (to a point), they both have very different motivations for their actions and desire different purposes. That they have different reasons for their actions tells us that they do not share the same character, even if they are said to do the same thing. The god Muslims worship is also not concerned with the Isrealites first. Yahweh is not a universal god. Allah is distant to the Jews and accessible to those outside the Jewish covenant.

That is not the god the Jews worship.

 

well, yes they do...

it's the same God as the Jewish God, exactly the same one

Both Christianism and Muslimism are building upon the old... which is most often the case for new religions replacing the old ones

even many of the newer religions "holy" places are built upon the old religions locations...

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The Jews took their stories from Babylon and the Ugarit.....

 

I think some people have this viewpoint. I don't pay attention to any viewpoints that pit certain people by way of birth as "dirt."

 

Jews don't believe in hell?
What about heaven?
I really need to get up to date on my Jewish religious studies.

 

Not the eternal fire pit. AFAIK. I think they call it a separation from God. In the grave, ground, unconscious. I've seen different interpretations.
Yes, I believe they have an eternal "paradise".
It would seem so.

 

By that logic, Christians worship the goddess Minerva.

 

That doesn't really address anything I've brought up, but okay....

 

Didn't you write this, John? The stories in the OT were borrowed from Babylon and from the Ugarit.

 

ok, if you want to believe the God in the Jewish Bible is not the same as the Cristian and Muslim God, have at it

 

It was the Hebrew God of Old and his teaching that were fundamentally distorted by the Babylonian conquering of the Israelites. Israelites reformed their religion around a hedonistic clergy called the Pharicees that basically ruled Hebrews in a theocracy. It was this form of Judaism that Jesus separated and ultimately rebeled against. The Talmud was the first desecration of true Judaism. Zionism would be the second.

 

Pharisees were the inheritors of the Levites.. who wrote the laws and rituals.

 

I think it was the perversion of the original Jewish faith that led to this ultra anti-socialism in the Jewish people. I think it was a product of the Talmud vesus the Torah, though I am not sure if it was taught in the Torah. Likely not since their are Jews of the Torah who openly resist and resent what they see as wayward and heretical practices.

 

I think I agree with you. (I say "I think" because I have not read the Torah. I have read parts of Talmud. It's difficult to read the hate- so I can't get thru it.) But as a Muslim, I believe the Torah would have been an account of Moses- who brought the same essential messages as Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) so therefore, I would conclude that 'no,' the Torah in it's origin anyway- should not have had anything in it relegating anyone not Jewish to "dirt."

 

While I may or disagree with that prospect, it is not even remotely close to anything I claimed in that post.

Do you have a point to trying to force this particular claim on me?

 

This isn't a counterpoint to the point I made.

 

Islam and Christianity? Like polar opposites.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” .

In contrast to Islam-

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

 

Have you read this in context or just selected passages from some hate site???? Its about the conduct of defensive war.

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Have you read this in context or just selected passages from some hate site???? Its about the conduct of defensive war.

 

In context, one says that the second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor, while the other says that the second greatest deed is to kill everyone that does not share your beliefs.


It is not about "defensive" war.

 

Have you read the Koran, john?

 

Its from
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
Your characterization as coming from a hate site, reveals the nature of the content.
And yes Ive read the Koran and while jihad includes defensive jihad, most all those verses quoted refer to offensive jihad.

 

You mean not to kill women and children or destroy crops, trees, water sources and livestock?

 

Jesus was a Pharisee himself. He believed in the very same things that the Pharisees believed in.