Constitutional Lawyer Herb Titus: "Born In Hawaii Doesn't Make Obama Natural Born"

"did we give up when the germans bombed pearl harbour ?"
No, I don't agree.

My statement stands.

Birthers- lol.

 

Thumbs up for the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

 

That's the problem, JEFF - you do not think, you speculate, confuse and innuendo. Dunno why this thread is resurrected, I kind of like being there in the basement until/if this thing blows wide open, but go ahead and answer questions which you dont't want to touch in the conspiracy section:

Was Barack Obama born Kenyan citizen? Yes or no?
Had Barack Obama dual citizenship until he was at least 21 years old? Yes or no?
Had Barack Obama dual allegiance until he was at least 21 years old. Yes or no?

I'm trying to get Wong to grow a set of brass ones and answer these questions, but so far he's refusing... maybe, you can, JEFF?

 

Dude, I'm on your side, but the Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor....

 

You are not really on his side. His side uses the fact that the man is dark skinned with a funny sounding name to somehow say the man is not a US citizen. You don't like his policies, think they are bad for America and want him elected out. Though I don't agree that he has been as horrible as you do, you do deserve more respect and should demand so because of that distinction.

 

We can agree, and disagree, but all of us should at least observe the factual events of history. Clearly, that fellow simply got it flat-out wrong about Pearl Harbor.

But beyond that, no further challenge to Obama's citizenship has the slightest ghost of a chance of getting any kind of hearing in any court in the United States. That's why I have been trying to tell my fellow Conservatives to give up that pursuit and instead put all our concentrated effort into getting rid of Obama in one year's time in the 2012 election.

 

For those unaware of the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor reference
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI[/ame]
Great movie line from Animal House... at least that's what I hope dude is referencing? WARNING: language is salty

 

The questions are pointless since under American law you can have as many citizenships as other governments are willing to give you and still be an NBC.

The real question here is why you keep changing your mind every other post? One post you will insist that foreign governments cannot involuntarily make anybody born overseas their citizen (in which case the answers to all those questions are "No.").

And then the next post you insist that they can after all, and that all the answers to those questions are "Yes."

Then you rinse and repeat.

Just make up your mind Dutch. Be a man.

 

You clearly mistake me for a Birther.

Dutch, once you answer my questions, I will be glad to answer yours, but as long as you keep dodging from dealing with the repercussions of the new Natural Born citizen definition you are trying to push onto the American people, I am not going to follow you off on a new tangent.

Do you believe- as you have stated- that a foreign government can't impose citizenship on a person without his consent? If that is the case, Obama can't have been or be a dual citizen- since he never consented to being a Kenyan citizen.

Or do you believe a government can impose citizenship on a person without their consent, in which case by your new definition of Natural Born Citizen, any tinpot dictator could veto any Presidential candidate from the Preidency by making them a citizen.

Which is it Dutch? We have been trying for days now to get a straight answer from you.

 

you guys are kidding right ? you two don't even agree and you're on the same side... you're dumb cop dumber cop.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
So, was Barack Obama Kenyan citizen until 1982, yes or no?

san francisco jeff: I believe he was a Kenyan citizen until he turned 23.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch
So, was Barack Obama Kenyan citizen until 1982, yes or no?

wong van steve: If, as you insist, a nation cannot give its citizenship involuntarily, no. Obama was never a Kenyan citizen.



the american people deserve better than obot pretzel logic.
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i think it was sfjeff that said he didn't agree with "the germans bombing pearl harbor".

i think obama said it too. "I could see the germans bombing pearl harbor from my house" tina fey.

 

post #118, page 12

 

what ....?

 

since you're campaigning so hard to sell racism here, i'm going to call you out on this. please link me to one birther post here (and i think i know us all) that has done as you charge.

otherwise shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

you wrote it

 

1- There was no Kenya when he was born.
2- Irrelevent to his elligibility.
3- Irrelevent for his elligibility.

 

Most all Nations have their own definition for Citizenship and the law to impose on folks in their jurisdiction. Here's a list of Nations....

http://www.multiplecitizenship.com/worldsummary.html

They also have different requirements to renounce their citizenship, to prevent a dual citizenship status or some obligation....

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html


One question; If Obama held a dual Citizenship, American/British (SUBJECT) or Kenyan/American, by other Nations law, never having renounced, would he still be eligible under law for that one office...No precedence has been set.

In agreeing totally with this scenario, casting doubt or if you like casting doubt on his loyalty to the office or the US, is a political ploy. I don't think many actually feel Obama is a Capitalist Free Market Ideologue, does lean toward Social Justice (Socialism) and the cause then being his background (whatever it was).

If Obama gets a second term, I seriously doubt he will, your going to see some serious effort to have him impeached/convicted by Congress from the 2012 election on. My personal fear is, if defeated, which is most likely, your going to see some serious violence in many metropolitan areas, a prediction I hope to eat (crow) and wrong.....

 

Obama would have had to pursue and assert British citizenship by a certain age.. to be a dual citizen.. There is zero evidence that he ever did.

He is a US citizen because he was born on US soil.

 

He didn't have too. His fathers British nationality was passed to him at birth so it wasn't necessary for him to pursue being a dual citizen. He was born one.

 

Nope.. it wasn't passed to him at birth.. Remember Obama's father was in the US on a student visa and subject to US law and US jurisdiction.

You have to aggressively assert your British citizenship or you lose the possibility.

You are having a problem because you are making a lot of assumptions rather than reading the law.

Secondly.. You have to live in Indonesia for 10 years to apply for Indonesian citizenship after attaining adulthood.

 

From Obama's campaign website:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

What does that last sentence mean?

 

None of Obama senior's other chlldren were born in the US.. They were born in Kenya AKA British East Africa. where British law had jurisdiction.

 

No, the website refers to all his children including Barack Jr. Barack Jr was given dual citizenship at birth.

 

No he wasn't given British citizenship at birth because he was born on US soil and British law doesn't apply here.. (Remember the American Revolution?)

Obama could have applied for British citizenship as a young adult.. and he could assert that his father was British subject.. otherwise the possibility expires.