COP: ‘I’m Going to Grab Your Baby, and Don’t Resist’

If the parents account is true and correct we have some huge issues here with:

CPS - Way out of line and very authoritarian/totalitarian
1st Hospital - Bad Medicine, Perhaps Medicine for Profit
Police - Entrance without a warrant, Kidnapping, Assault and Battery

If they are honest, I expect this lawsuit to pay for the child to go to Stanford and the parents to have a new mansion.

 

I don't take that as a given that the doctor would have agreed that the child was safe, only that discharge papers are signed. Hospitals often want to avoid discharging patients now because they may be fined if the patient is later re-admitted. You say it's "pretty simple" but it's a more complex process than just certifying safety.

According to the couple, they did not feel that their child was safe in Summit hospital. According to CPS, someone claimed the child was neglected without any sort of evidence. Yet another reason not to trust the doctors at Summit. If they are the types to do that, why would you want to put aside the safety of your child in order to wait for the paperwork that they would delay as much as possible?

Yes yes, only stupid people don't believe everything that the wise and benevolent government and it's loving, caring agents tell them.

 

no, stupid people believe any one side is telling the truth and did everything right well the other side did nothing wrong ; especially when only one side had told their story.

And that is irrespective of which side you're on or what the topic is.

 

The child was only brought to the hospital because he had exhibiting flu-like symptoms. The first doctor was only telling the parents the child needed heart surgery, but death was not an immediate threat. As far as I can tell, the second doctor did not disagree, he only gave the parents the all clear to take the child home. And until the cops kidnapped the child it appears the child was doing just fine. So, your "what if" scenario isn't really applicable. But keep trying...you never know...you might come up with something relevant.

 

Stanford at todays rates or in 18 years?

 

Whats the failure? People wanted a second opinion. Pretty simple, and any doctor worth his degree would have no issue at all with that.
But he balked, right there would be a red flag to me to get my kid as far away from that SOB as possible.

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Its a very believable story, it happens all the time.
The G knows whats best for us. Hahahahaha

 

It is a huge red flag if the first doctor balked at a second opinion. If this story is true, and I was the father.... there is a doctor out there that will have a busted nose and black eye. You can toss me in jail, but he is going to wear his attack on my family for a few weeks.

 

BLAH< BLAH< BLAH.........nothing like going to some irrevelant extreme rant when you failed contribute anything remotely worth a s**t.

 

I see, so if someone disagrees with you and is generally heavily biased against the side toward which you are heavily biased, then, gosh darn-it, they are "stupid!"

There is nothing here to indicate that the parents of this child were a) lying and b) deserved to be treated like criminals. It is your apparent belief that a complaint from a doctor warrants the invasion of a home and the kidnapping of a child. That is not my belief. Call me "stupid" if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't really serve your argument.

 

This may or may not have been excessive, but either way, you do not own your children. They are not property like a couch or car. The state has the final authority on whether or not you are serving the best interests of the child.

And that is how it should be. Because a lot of parents are not competent to car for any children, their own or otherwise.

It is not a given that the parent has the final authority on what is best for the child.

 

I dont know about you but my kids are MINE!!!!!!!!! If i made them, i paid for them, i cared for them since the beginning and further without "big daddy " governments help then they are not the governments kids.

and by the way you talk a lot of these welfare queens kids should have been taken away a long time ago, poppin out babies left and right and cant even afford to care for them.

I think its funny, a family who has got the means to care for their child and does gets their kid taken away for simply asking for a second opinion on a medical matter. But hood rats who can barelly afford to put money on the table and barelly afford to clothe their kids get to keep their kids AND us tax payers have to support them.

does anyone see anything wrong here?

 

On the word of a doctor? When the child is not in inement danger?
I think you are pushing the envelope there.

 

Yes. You do not get the final say on what "imminent danger" is. If your definition conflicts with the state definition, the state definition supersedes yours.

I disagree.

 

There was no kidnapping so stop with the buffoonish antics.

 

The state disagrees. And so do most Americans. Your kids are not furniture or pets.

You are a guardian...not an owner. there is a difference.

Um...weren't you just saying that you own your kids? Why are you making different rules for welfare mothers now?

It's not funny, but it is often necessary.

 

Your video is lacking. I would have to see some more information on this to make a sensible judgment. There are cases where parents are being neglectful and CPS doesn't do anything and then gets criticized, so I think you need to provide more info.

 

Endangering a child has no respect for economic classes. Nor is it merely a function of providing monetarily for your children. Plenty of wealthy kids are abused.

 

Not much good to your child to be sitting in prison for 20 years to life.

 

Are you illiterate? At no point did I say those who disagree with me are stupid. I said that those who just buy into one side of a story are stupid, and that it doesn't matter if that side is one I happen to agree with or not. Anyone who just believes one side of a story, either side, is dumb. In these situations there are ALWAYS two sides to the story.

There is NO WAY that the police just showed up and took a perfectly healthy baby from his parents based on the first doctor's opinion. Any reasonable person knows that is a true statement, meaning there is absolutely more to this than what we're being told.

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I don't know, some might opine that a child would be better off with no parent than with one who shows such obvious poor judgement.

 

A child with an existing heart problem having been hospitalized with flu symptoms in cardiac ICU being grabbed out the ICU back door IS very possibly in "inement [sic] danger"!

Maybe we will ultimately find out if Kaiser actually declared the baby "safe" to go home ( I would bet that that is an exaggeration), but now the parents are under court order to cooperate with medical treatment, so the next time they pull the baby out of the hospital they will likely go to jail.

 

I'm super-literate! I tend to read between the lines. The only reason you would have said that in the first place is an attempt to paint me as only buying one side of the story and therefore stupid. I have never claimed to not believe the government version at all, though I am extremely skeptical.

And, yet, no one was doing that, so your implied insults were strawmen. And, as I am wont to do, I pushed your buttons a bit. They are easy to push.

Why is there NO WAY? Do you have the truth of this case? Now you claim people are unreasonable for not accepting your assertions as universal facts. Abuse of power by state functionaries are frequent and becoming more frequent. Why should I believe, as you do, that the CPS and police officers are playing the side of good here?


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"Judgment" meaning submitting to one's proper masters.

 

You're making excuses for the police and you claim to not even know their side of the story. What was it you said about buying into just one side making a person stupid?

 

Originally I was not responding to you, so I have no idea why you would feel guilty about my comments.

I don't mind a little button pushing, I do it myself from time to time.

no we don't have the proof of the case, but the preponderance of evidence would suggest that cops don't go around grabbing babies for no good reason.

I thought you said you were literate? Clearly I was not saying that not submitting to "your masters " was poor judgement, but rather I was saying that saying you would shoot a cop for doing his job is using poor judgement. I would hope you would agree with that statement.

 

What... that's the best you got genius?...lol....

 

I really cant believe the government drones on this issue.
Must not be parents.
Dr, "your child needs a heart operation".
You, "I want a second opinion".
Dr, "no, child is not leaving the hospital".
You, "well, ok if you put it that way. I dont want to get in trouble".
I got a lot of words that describe that type person, parent aint one of them.