Could a real estate boom plus better Fed policy pay off USA national debt?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The gifted and rather famous Pastor David Wilkerson had some sort of vision back in 1973 in which
    he was shown that America would eventually have a real estate boom........ but the boom......
    wasn't in or near the cities...... it was more so in the area of the people who
    supported Mr. Donald Trump for President.

    For the record, the title of this thread is a quotation from an interesting article that I feel
    deserves to be taken seriously, but....... I personally do believe that there is a better way to
    do this........ and yes..... the result could be the most massive real estate boom in USA history that
    could well result in the national debt of the USA being paid off in full!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ald-trump-must-shut-down-federal-reserve.html

    Why Donald Trump must shut down The Federal Reserve
    One of the reasons why the USA government has decided on
    a seriously flawed financial system is because members of the GOP and the Democratic Party
    tend to have such contempt for each other......
    that the most influential people in both parties.....
    prefer to give control of the money supply over to a private
    organization than to take the risk of the other guys, getting elected, and
    abusing the power to create money.

    This is actually, a rather valid concern....... and although I fundamentally agree with much of
    what the author of this article writes, I've been thinking about less risky alternatives for
    this since 1994 when I began to research this topic.
     
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    A boom in real estate prices in rural areas can begin with
    placing a higher value on human life..... and on all life.......
    because probability indicates that some sort of plan is being
    worked out here.........

    If some sort of intelligence has invested essentially infinite time in the past
    in planning and choreographing a massive number of Big Bang type events.....
    then that being / beings/ Being / Beings....... would place a high value on our lives......
    more than we do.....
    because I have no conscious memories back past 1959 when I was born.......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...begin-in-matter-or-fundamental-energy.465052/

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
     
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    There are fears that one trillion to up to 4.3 trillion dollars US may hit the market soon.........
    but this will actually just result in a redistribution of wealth so that the people who tend to
    support President Trump and want to see America and the world turned back to
    basic ethics and values will benefit.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...inflation-i-ever-read.502018/#post-1067621071

    This will take you to a video on this topic.......
    I am in no position to laugh this off.......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-early-as-2016.397835/page-8#post-1067354662

     
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    1973 The End Times Vision by David Wilkerson FULL

    I haven't seen this yet but the written version of this is where I got that quotation in the opening post.
     
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    No. Not a chance. The US total obligation (around $200T) is more than the GDP of the entire planet (about $80T).

    The problem is federal social program spending, such as medicare, Medicaid, social security. Those have got to go.
     
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    Thank you for expressing your opinion on this Battle3......
    but I am on a very, very different page..........

    Human life..... and animal life.... would have nearly infinite value
    to an Intelligence that learned and evolved over eternity in the past
    who planned a nearly infinite number of Big Bang type events.

    If we human will begin to look at human life as having great value......
    if we will line up our thinking to be more like our Creator......
    our economies can boom.

    I believe that America, Israel and the western democracies have got to
    lead in this paradigm shift in how we look at economics.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tia-israel-and-jordan.506627/#post-1067598747


     
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    Even 200 Trillion is a small number in comparison to infinite value.......

    If the Life Review portion of near death experiences is valid and real......
    then it seems that an off the scale intelligence has put recording technology
    all around all humans.... that is far beyond HD or DVD or IMAX or anything
    that we have came up with so far........

    Now why would a being / or Being / or Beings composed of nearly fundamental
    energy invest such high level technology in every human life?

    Even we humans tend to become more emotionally attached to a project that
    we put more time and effort into.......
    could our inventor not be similar?

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05
     
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    A real-estate "boom" is a bust in terms of national-debt.

    People who buy property do so by taking out a mortgage, and that mortgage when packaged and resold becomes National Debt outstanding (meaning unpaid and in the process of payment).

    But who cares? The National Debt has been built not only on housing but also expensive DoD-budget expenditures, so "Why worry?"

    Our kids will be paying off both debts - one public by means of taxation and the other private out of their own purse for property they purchase on mortgage.

    So, when they lose their jobs their debt is confiscated and out they go - then the mortgage sold to someone else who can afford it (because they have a well-paid job they obtained by means of an advanced post-secondary degree ;^) ...
     
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    When a real-estate boom is in the works, then mortgage-debt escalates. It is paid off, but only after a significant period of time during which it remains as DEBT!

    This debt-hangover is what has been building for quite some time. And for as long as the US has the means to pay for it, then all is OK.

    The debt has two parts, one public (governmental) and the other private:
    *The government debt is paid for by issuing T-Notes to the world, known as Public Debt. Which is how China owns a massive part of the US debt.
    *Private debt generated by realty (housing and buildings of all kinds) is packaged and sold to the world as debt-instruments. When real-estate gets really stoopid (as it did in 2008/10) that debt consisting of dud-mortgages (that should never have been allowed) goes sour - and a lot of debt-owners are left with a loss.

    What people do not understand is that debt owed by the government is repaid by the government out of taxation. And that which is created by real-estate is paid by those who buy the debt and receive payments on it from the general public. Who are the latter? Just about anybody who wants to "invest" in private debt. (Which are mostly banks who profit from the interest payments.)

    But of the two, it is the latter that is the most risky because the former (government debt) cannot "afford to be broke", whereas private debt-holders can.

    Which is why the American Treasury is never bankrupt because we, the people, are its owners and our taxes pay to maintain its debt ...
     
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    Why would anyone care if an economy booms or not on this earth? This is just a picosecond in terms of eternity. Less in fact.
     
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    Bunkum!

    People have been predicting the end of time since the beginning of time. One might think its almost human nature.

    And yet, the earth still spins around the sun. Until some astronomic event happens; which we should perhaps worry about if and when it ever happens.

    So far, so good ..
     
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    Very well put!
     
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    Perhaps, but it is this picosecond in which we live. That changes everything.

    Which is why we humans invented "God" - so that he could promise us "eternal happiness next to him in heaven".

    (That's a great marketing ploy ... !!!! ;^)
     
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    I am not talking to one who thinks humans invented god, but god created humans. And for some reason also thinks god wants humans to have enormous wealth for this picosecond.
     
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    Frankly......... people with genuine prophetic gifts.......
    seem to be shown events from a time line that has already taken place.....
    and their visions are a warning for us so that we can make better decisions
    than were made in that previous time line/ alternate universe and at least delay
    the disasters........ or better yet......
    prevent it altogether.

    So my point is that I actually am hoping that you are correct in you assessment of "Bunkum!"

    That is one of the possible implications of Multiverse Theory..... (according to my limited understanding anyway)?!

    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cal-implications-of-multiverse-theory.424926/
     
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    That is actually a good question...........
    I suppose that the utopian earth of 2185 as shown to near death
    experiencer Howard Storm..........
    could well come about partly due to a Great Worldwide Depression?!


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04
    I was thinking that perhaps there were cameras all over the place that were way beyond
    DVD or HD which Howard Storm would not even notice considering that his NDE took place
    in 1985.

    I was thinking that perhaps this utopian world was financed by a massive series of reality and
    semi - reality science fiction film projects........... . that resulted in full employment??!


    Artistic Hollywood style "Armageddon" could bring world out of recession?!
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...on-could-bring-world-out-of-recession.406872/
     
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    when your child is starving you care about your child not eternity. 1+1=2
     
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    wealth and health are related. Without huge wealth there is no huge science to keep us healthy and keep alive the promise of eternal life. And, once we have eternal life we have to do something with all that times so huge wealth gives us many options with which to fill the time.
     
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    exactly, freedom and capitalism is the only thing that can work for for the entire world. Liberals waging constant war for control of govt because they think govt is magical is just plain stupid and the exact formula for eternal war. It takes high intellect to grasp this concept and that sadly leaves liberals out.
     
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    Um, one has to die on this earth to receive this eternal life. The sooner one dies from this earth, the sooner they have paradise. And the wealth one accumulates here is useless.
     
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    Liberals can only wage a constant war if there are conservatives doing the same thing otherwise they have no opponent to fight.
     
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    Raising real estate prices are not necessarily a good thing. They can be indicative of people having more money in an economy, but if you artificially try raising the real estate prices, how is that really good for anyone? Don't we keep hearing over and over again that "lower prices are good for the consumer" ?
    And yet, these same people that are trying to lower the prices of goods and services everywhere else are busy wanting to prop up what is, by far, the most expensive consumer item, housing.
    Is that inconsistent or what?
    Outsource and offshore, but protect the value of our real estate wealth. Hmm, sounds like self-interest to me...
     
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    when science cures death that obviously will not be true and we are obviously heading in that direction
     
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    totally mistaken of course!! liberal kings fought liberals kings to be the king liberal. Hitler Stalin and Mao were rivals to be the best big govt libsocialist. Liberalism is a cancer that only grows and kills more and more. It is only when conservatives rule that peace will be at hand. Now do you understand?
     
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    Oh, I get it now. The party of God has, throughout history, had clean hands when it comes to warfare. How silly of me to forget.
     

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