Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which countries in history have managed to completely eliminate these shootings?
     
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    Whoosh...went the point, sailing overhead...
     
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    Percentages like this leave no room for the HUMAN factor. It is not just the deaths......it is the people that are left behind that are affected too. ONE crazy mass shooing is too many. Since when are people dispensable.?? Or is it just fine t lose a certain percentage to shootings on a regular basis ??? How is that civilized??
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we should make legislation affecting the entire country based on one rare incident?


    You do realize that these type of laws probably end up putting hundreds of innocent people in prison every year?
     
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  5. Thingamabob

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    Let me repeat my question to you :below: :below: :below:
    :above: :above: :above: You offered no answer. Maybe now you can?
     
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    South Africa has implemented the laws you've requested.

    Do you want to explain to me why they've not been able to solve the violence problem?

    I notice how you people keep comparing the US to Canada and Europe, but why don't you ever compare it to South Africa, or Mexico?
     
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    Stand tall this time and read it again.
     
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    We loose roughly the same number to auto deaths per year, who are you (or anyone else, for that matter) to deem that an "acceptable" loss? The people left behind, are effected too.

    Much like before the gun, before the auto, mankind had always survived.
     
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    I'm sure you think that clever, try being clever enough to grasp my point.
     
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    Not necessarily.;-) Now..if there was no tooth brush..........
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If reduction is one form of "solved", then I would proffer to you that we've already solved the problem.
     
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    How do you see the problem being "one rare incident"?

    So you think disobeying the law is one of the traits of "innocent people"?
     
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    Statistically, it's pretty rare.

    The US is a pretty big country.
     
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    How many deaths by shootings would be an "acceptable loss " t??
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't seem to understand that laws can (and typically do, inevitably) result in people going to prison who did not actually break those laws.


    But of course, that type of thing is hard for you to comprehend, because government can do no wrong.
     
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    Yours made no sense ... mine does. But if you stand tall it won't go "whoosh ... sailing overhead". Just trying to help you out, brother.
     
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    You are starting to see my point, now flip the coin. It's a value judgment, to answer either one is to put a price on human life. Could we not all ride bicycles or horses and walk and such and save untold number of lives? Is the convenience of autos worth the human toll?
     
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    You would, huh? With regards to both the problem and my standpoint, I think you are just ..... :hiding:
     
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    No yours does not, it's akin to angels on the head of a pin. We dont live with "if's" but rather what is. I'm glad I could assist you.
    You can't magically erase the technology of guns from humanity. The toothpaste is out of the tube, see it now?
     
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    Are we talking about someone who loses his balance and accidentally steps on your lawn or someone who disregards a law making gun ownership illegal?

    Allowing handgun ownership is "government doing wrong".
     
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    What is the relevance? Yes, you're cornered, I know.
     
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    You fail to see his logic, MiaBleu, He is saying that until shooting deaths surpass all other forms of premature death then the gun should flourish and shooting-sprees are OK. :machinegun:
     
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    Sure...that's why you felt the need to erase the context from our exchange, try honestly answering this time...Unlike you, I will address your entire post and wont project my inabillity to answer....try that yourself.

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    Argue that with the imaginary "me" in your mind.
     
  25. MiaBleu

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    statistics are cold "comfort" to the victims and their survivors.

    but reality is what it is...... it is too late as the collective gun oriented psyche would not tolerate much change . Tighter controls would only have folks buy them via other avenues.

    Yes. the US is a gig country.......... a country where there are more guns than peple. That alone should give one pause.

    If guns are necessary for self defense........ then that suggests that the country is violent by nature.
     
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