Debunking the " Far RW Domestic Terrorism" Lie Narrative Quickly and Easily

Of late, much political hay has been made by the Left of government findings that Far RW domestic terrorism has eclipsed other forms of terrorism since 9/11. It's all over the Fake News, including a recent racist statement by CNN's Don Lemon, and the subject of threads and claims in many posts here.

It is a lie narrative, easily exposed as such.

Here is the actual GAO report, not a peer-reviewed study, more akin to a white paper. You will not find the specifics of this report in Fake News for a good reason. It's BS.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Please note the list of alleged "Far RW domestic terror acts" in the Appendix, and also note the following facts and reasonable conclusions.

1. Inmates, usually the most violent sort, join race-based prison gangs and have for decades. In the most dangerous prisons, this is well-documented as a survival mechanism, and not necessarily the adoption of a white supremacist, neo Nazi or skinhead ideology.
2. Part of membership in white prison gangs is obtaining tattoos, haircuts, attire, that usually portray or signify white supremacist symbols and themes. Again, these things are more indicative of membership in a prison gang than any ideology.
3. As is also well-documented, the recidivism rates for such inmates is high, and includes all manner of crimes related to drugs, weapons, etc. These are, after all, hardened repeat offenders, which is how they ended up in prisons where forming race-based gangs is a necessity in the first place.
4. Other race-based gangs, black and Latino, have their own tattoos, haircuts, jackets, etc. Those are also indicia of membership in the gang, and not necessarily any particular political ideology. Yet, the recidivist crimes of those groups is not catalogued as ideologically based domestic terrorism in the report, or else most of the garden variety crimes in Chicago and other crime centers by those wearing gang attire would qualify as domestic terrorism also.
5. The reasonable conclusion is that the GAO is fluffing up the incidence of "RW domestic terrorism" dishonestly by including the garden variety criminal activities of hardened criminals who would commit those crimes whether or not they had Far RW gang attire, tattoos, haircuts. They are drawing on a false correlation between the Far RW symbols that prison gangs adopt and ideology, which is not evidence that the ideology CAUSED the crimes. As the LW is fond of saying, "correlation does not equal causation." The "cause" of these crimes is, in most cases, that "hardened criminals commit crimes," not "ideology caused these crimes."
6. Until and unless the crimes of garden variety, recidivist thugs, who happened to join a race-based prison gang at some point in their criminal journey as a survival mechanism are factored OUT, then a very large percentage of alleged "Far RW domestic terrorist" acts are not domestic terrorism at all, just good old fashioned American criminals doing what recidivist criminals do, more crime of all types.

Bogus government white paper... debunked. Complex Lie Narrative... debunked.

 

Sure thing. Poor far right domestic terrorists - can't catch a break no how.

 

Like Trump, they're the REAL victims.

 

So then are African-American Criminals far left terrorists?

 

Can you believe how disingenuous they are? Antiduopolist creates a thread claiming all this Right wing terrorism and when it's debunked, he deflects. I mean, it's not even a challenge to debunk or debate these guys.

 

Trump is a victim?

 

Have you not observed the current situation being that Trump and his supporters are the poor defenseless victims - "everyone is against us"

 

Not really. Trump beats down the radical leftists by taking communication into his own hands.

Scalise was the victim of domestic terrorism incited by Bernie Sanders and his bedwetting clan. Sarah Huckabee Sanders' family was the victim of domestic terrorism. Maxine Waters was on national TV promoting domestic terrorism. Senator Cruz has been the victim of domestic terrorism.

When Obama told his followers to bring a gun to a political disagreement, at the same time deriding people he called out as his enemies clutching their bibles (or Torahs), he created the climate for the synagogue murders and put targets on the backs of all religious people.

 

No, since race doesn't define your political stance. Even the so called white neo-Nazi, white extremist can't be really defined as "right wing" just cause they are white. This is the dumbest way of defining someone's political affiliation. Doing criminal acts based on skin color has nothing to do with which side of the fence you land on. Stalin doesn't become "right wing" if he says he hated black people. Even Richard spencer is left wing in his political Ideology, he lines right up there with any socialist. Just cause he's white, doesn't make him "right wing".

Now, if the black gangs in Chicago and Detroit are fighting at the polling place to keep those the think might vote republican, then they could be considered "left wing", like when the New Black Panthers intimidated people in Philly. But since Eric Holder didn't prosecute that act of terrorism, they don't count it, even though the NBP did intimidate and make some voters scared to go vote.

 

That would be the point of course? Either every crminal in America is a terrorist or none of them are you don't get to pick and choose just to make the desire group you don't like look bad.

 

It's interesting to view what can only be viewed a couple different ways.

One, those who are obsessed with promoting this debunked and discredited narrative, and I mean over the top obsessed, are suffering from some issues that have little to do with this echo chamber issue.

Two, the word has gone out from the echo chambers to push this BS, and those who are promoting it are revealing their affiliation.

Certainly the extremists on any front are prone to actions that can be violent and/or offensive. But, to single out, thru flawed analysis and conclusion, only one group, while seemingly ignoring others makes the effort damnable and obvious in it's attempt at smearing a larger group.

 

Oh.........I see..........you think sandy's screed claiming the narrative has been discredited is the same as actually showing it to be discredited. Got it.
But hey, let's cut to the chase here. This is about Don. The minions don't like the observations being made about white supremacist's support of him, his dog whistle defense of them, the rise of white racist groups since his election, and the violent acts they commit in the name of racism and bigotry.
I'm reminded of the line of the year in this year's campaigns from the Florida governor's race. "Now, I'm not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, I'm simply saying the racists believe he's a racist," Gillum said.
It's no coincidence folks like David Duke and Richard Spencer heartily support Don. Just sayin'.

 

People would like accuracy, and they reject racists. The OP specifically proves the report being spread by the racists who own the left is BS.

The fake BS the New Democratic Party uses to spread hate and racist views is an issue, and the OP helps identify the facts and expose the lies the foundation of the NDP is made of.

 

Yes, two white supremacist socialist supporting Don does what exactly? How does their open "support" help Trump? Their political views, ie socialism, are not in line with what republicans want. If you and the left think the political divide is ONLY based on race, guess who are the racist. That's right, you and the left. Spencer actually hates Trump now because of all that Trump has been doing for Jewish people, and Israel. Not to mention how Trump is GLAD that blacks are working more and thriving more. How does someone get called "racist" who supports and boasts about thriving minority communities?

Again, if you think open white supremacists supporting Trump makes Trumps numbers go up in anyway by the independent voters, you are nuts.

 

It's rather remarkable how consistently you miss the point. This isn't a matter of them helping the Bigot-in-Chief. The optics of their support is a negative. It's a matter of them finding Don's actions and rhetoric appealing.........coinciding with their views.

 

How you wish it were so.

 

You shouldn't talk to yourself Lee.

The facts are in the OP. If you disagree with them, explain why, other than your normal ideological ramblings.

 

Stupid people believing stupid things does not translate into the stupid things they believe being either truthful or acurrate.

 

You aren't making a point, you are putting 3-5 generic words down and claiming victory. Give some evidence of what you claim.

 

Agree. When Obama and Democrats dissed Netanyahu, the fact that Islamic Terrorists found their actions and rhetoric appealing brought me to the conclusion that Democrats are Terrorists.

The fact that Bernie Sanders, who caucuses with the Democrats and Maxine Waters actively promote terrorism against Republicans is just more evidence.

 

Yes, I know.

Trump whines and cries about how the only people in the press who give him the fawning admiration he wants is Fox. I've never seen an elected official whine about his press the way Trump does. Most elected officials learn that they're not going to get an even break from the press early on, and live with it.

But Trump makes it part of his politics of angry white grievance.

Between channeling Spiro Agnew and George Wallace, that is!

 

Trying to sweep RW terrorism under the rug is just silly. It exists. It certainly looks to be more widespread than LW terrorism. Does that really matter, though? No. In both cases we are still talking about numbers so small, relative to the population, that the existence of these people does not in any way reflect anything about the broader RW or LW. The loonies don't represent anyone but themselves.

 

The OP didn't prove anything.

He posted some text citing an obscure report as a source and then drew his own conclusions.

Since he ran away from his own thread, we have to assume he can't defend it.

When I asked him where he cribbed it from (it was clearly cribbed right out of some right wing trash blog), he hid.

So, this is nothing.

 

Nonresponsive. Race-based prison gang violence isn't and shouldn't be classified as "domestic terrorism." Any crimes committed by prison gangs should be presumed to be plain, ordinary crime unless there is more evidence of ideological motivation than prison tattoos, haircuts, dress, etc.

I'm sure some unknown number of "RW domestic terrorism" events on the list are legitimate, ideologically motivated terrorism. Until prison gang crimes without true ideological motivation are -removed- from the list, that number, and how it compares to Islamic extremist domestic terrorism, is UNKNOWN.

 

And you haven't disproving anything.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28...ght-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

Thoroughly debunked by the rational observations given in the OP, and by relevant facts presented above and elsewhere.

Why aren't attacks by inner city terrorists included in the study?

I know, racist bigots need to cling to their echo chamber dog whistles in their quest to destroy.

I don't give a **** about these far right POS White Power/KKK, scumbags, but these reports, and the lopsided, one sided view serve no purpose other than feed the beast you consider a pet.