Democrats Back Trump Claim That Obama Is Responsible for Failing to Halt Russia E

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    It's now become clear that the Obama administration engaged in a cover up, in order to ensure Hillary's win was untainted. I think this story is just the begging. Democrats have waged media and legal battles against Trump, for completely partisan reasons. What happens when the party in power does it back? The answer is, whatever the GOP does to retaliate, will carry MUCH more weight, and go MUCH more easily.
     
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    The wiretapping thing is a figment of Trump's imagination. Did't happen. Get real. Who gives a rat's ass what Assange says. All of
    a sudden he is the second coming? There was no fraud, no racism, no duplicity. Obama did very little because he did not want to be
    accused by Trump of trying to influence the election. Fact! And you know that the Donald would have jumped on that like a fly to
    fly paper. Have you ever read any books about your guy? Do it, because you are being blinded by a smooth operator.
     
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    But Trump says it didn't happen, yes? All of a sudden he has a story to tell. Good for him, but the only thing that changes is that Trump finally acknowledges that the Russkies did try to interfere. So all you lambs can now call the fake news true news.
     
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    You are doing that thing Liberals always do, where you try to conflate two independent issues, like you do with legal and illegal immigration. Saying the Russians attempted to interfere is one thing, but Trump collusion is an entirely different matter.
     
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    Really? It is clear to me that Obama didn't want to be accused of favoring Clinton by exposing the Ruskies at election time.
    This was a non-partisan move by Obama, because had he openly accused Russia of interfering, it would have appeared that he was
    openly favoring Clinton. Got it?
     
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    Yes, that is what I am saying. He engaged in a cover up to avoid her supposed looming victory to be tainted. This deception will lead to hearings, that will get too partisan, that will lead to a special investigator, that will come back with a completely unrelated crime committed by a completely unrelated person, just like they always do. MURCA
     
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    I am not a liberal. My view is that Trump is unfit to serve as my President, and yours. Illegal immigration? They are already in our
    country, and have children, and are good people for the most part, and have been here for years. It is wrong to separate families and throw them out. We let them stay for 20-30 years. The time to throw them out was then and not 30 years later. People are always breaking laws and doing illegal stuff, so the "illegal" term is an excuse.
     
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    Wrong. He simply did not want to influence the election. Period.
     
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    I never said you were a Liberal. I said you are doing what they do. Then you follow up with some straw man arguments, without me even stating my position.

    The term illegal alien is a legal term. This is factually what they are named under US law.
     
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    He deceived the American people. His relative honesty was the last aspect of his legacy that remained, and now that is gone too. Why can't Democrats ever be honest?
     
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    He deceived nobody. Your guy is doing and has been doing all the deceiving. Have you read any of the books written about him?
    Why don't you?
     
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    Meddling and having any effect on the outcome are two different things.
     
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    There are already third party books about Trump? That's just ....bizarre.

    Obama deceived the American people about the Russians. That is a fact. He had a duty to inform us, and take actions to stop it. He did neither.
     
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    Call them what you want. Just don't cheerfully throw them out. I am a lifetime Republican and am disappointed that an unqualified
    narcissist whose objective is to make the rich richer and do nothing for the working middle class, which is his naive, misinformed base.
     
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    "That thing that we said never happened is all Obama's fault!" ~Every trump chump on the internet today.
     
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    You are not a Republican, even though you play one on the internet. Even Never Trumpers don't abandon the entire Conservative ideology over Trump. No Republican would describe the platform as you just did.
     
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    These books were written before he ran for president, some of them years ago. Read one. "The Real Donald Trump". Funny how they
    all have basically the same theme.
    All of a sudden there was Russian interference after all the denials. Obama wanted to stay out of the politics, because Trump would have accused him of informing you and me for political reasons, and he didn't want to influence the election. What he did wrong
    was to do little in response. Now Trump has admitted finally that the Russians did interfere, but instead of responding to the threat,
    he chooses to deflect the issue. Pass the blame. Avoid an answer. Continue to be Trump, and you are eating his rhetoric for lunch
     
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    Don't tell me that I am not a republican, and I have never abandoned any conservative ideology. I am an American first and a Republican second. You? This guy is unqualified, and his mission is to feed the wealthy and abandon the working middle class. That is not conservative Republican ideology.
     
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    If you are looking for someone to say Trump is some sort of modern Reagan, you will be disappointed. But what on earth can make you say he cares LESS about the working class than Republicans, given his platform includes them in ways the GOP platform hasn't in decades? This doesn't even make any sense, so, I'm still calling bullshit on your GOP street cred.
     
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    What a crock of nonsense. Pres.Trump has more domestic and international experience than any POTUS in history, and is not beholden to EITHER political party.
    He is creating jobs as you read this. US coal production, alone, is up nearly 20% since he took office. Every foreign leader that has met him is impressed, except for the self-serving leeches of the EU.
    Red China is now doing more to shut down NOKO than after 8 years of Obamagroveling....


    Has nothing to do with Obama's UTTER FAILURE to do his duty against Russian efforts last year...NOTHING. Try to stick to the topic, no matter how embarrassing for you.
     
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    And then on other threads it still never happened lol
     
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    I get it, you don't like Trump. But, lets stick to the facts. Obama knew our democracy was threatened, and then publicly mocked the notion, while considering actions behind the scenes, that were never taken. He failed in his duty to inform us publicly, or even to congress secretly. He took no actions, aside from whispering "Tsk Tsk" to Putin in the hallways at the G8. He failed in his responsibilities as president, and he covered the whole thing up. SAD!
     
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    All while illegally wiretapping Trump, instead of doing his duty.
     
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    A claim disputed by everyone lol
     
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    True Republicans have empathy for the downtrodden in our country. True Republicans don't attack allies and enemies all at the same time, and put our sons and daughters in harms way. True Republicans don't allow dumping pollution into our rivers and streams for
    the almighty dollar. True Republicans don't free up government land for hunting. True Republicans don't drop out of the Paris accords
    and declare them non-binding. True Republicans don't allow their sick sons to cut the tails off baby elephants for fun and frolicking.
    True Republicans are pragmatic.
     

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