Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

What I was trying to explain is that the law doesn't go into silly specifics as he suggested. No AG's office is going to allow changes to statutes with those types of intricate instances, so his point was useless as the technique is still approved and used all over the country. somewhere some idiot is fighting the cops right now, and will be restrained in the exact same way safely until transport arrives.

unless of course the arrested person has made poor health choices and has a ton of meth and fent in their system, in which case they win the stupidity prize of the day. I have no sympathy for home invaders and career criminals who put their own foot in the grave looking for a ghetto lottery win.

 

this is a proven lie

and will go to prison for murder if the person dies, as it's illegal to kneel on a handcuffed and face down laying persons neck until they die. As you've been shown.

 

Is that what all these dozens of posts were about? Well obviously no one can specify every instance, but equally some things must be assumed to be unacceptable without the need to write them down.

 

exactly, the framework exists and charges are built around culpable mental states. In this case that restraint has been used for many years and safely.

 

Obviously the jury and I disagree with you. I think the framework did not imply you could ignore pleas from the suspect for such a long time without attempting to alleviate the problem.
There are many restraint positions available.

 

that idiot did this EXACT same act in an arrest in 2019, and narcotics abusers often make irrelevant and false statements while being arrested. if you walked up to arrest me and I was yelling about not being able to breathe while clearly breathing, you'd likely presume I was lying. this happens every day in every city in this country, the police cannot diagnose every condition and know who is lying and who is not.

There is a lot of eye rolling involved when people who have never done a job are suddenly experts on how a crazy situation plays out, with 20/20 vision. FWIW criminals are constantly dishonest when you're dealing with them, with or without handcuffs.

 

Yes. I understand that argument. The difference here the time scale 9 minutes of the man pleading.

Perhaps as an expert yourself you can explain why the officer concerned did nothing about those pleas for such a long time, despite the requests from his fellow officers?

 

I can't really speak on his behalf only make a guestimate based on procedure. Since 9 minutes isn't that long to wait for a transport vehicle he may have decided just to hold on until the EMS and transport arrived. If you do this often enough with zero problems, that doesn't sound as unreasonable as it appears in this particular case.

 

Good point, but a scary statement.
"If you do this often enough with zero problems"
Could and did turn into
"If you do this often enough inevitably you will kill someone"

 

The issue is that this works as a technique. I've used it, it's used all over the country and all over the world. It's inherently safe when done properly, it's not until some d-bag in terrible health and full of large amounts of narcotics (fent inhibits respiratory activity) comes along while doing crime and fights the police that an issue arises. To be honest if you do X often enough you COULD kill someone.

 

Was it not done properly then? The jury would have been made aware of all the information you are giving here.
And please don't ay it was a Leftist or political decision as that would beggar belief in a randomly chosen jury.

 

From what I saw it looked like it was done by the book. I was not there so I can't say 100%, this is merely an opinion. There was an "expert" on both sides of the coin, that's kind of odd. I won't claim any conspiracies were involved but I can say without question that it is NOT normal for a municipality or county to pay out a civil suit before the criminal case is heard. So now we have conflicting opinions in court. I'm not saying chauvin played no part in this, I'm saying that the health and narcotics ingested by the arrested person is the ONE factor that turns this from any normal use of the technique to a deadly encounter.

 

Agreed. But my point (not necessarily others) is that Chauvin's guilt is in part due to his ignoring the pleas of the man while being aware of the risks.
If the death had occurred in 3 minutes I would be sympathetic, but 9 minutes is a very long time to consider what you are doing and adjust it, to consider the risks to the man you are holding down.

 

I totally understand your point, the issue here is that Floyd was bellowing about the breathing when they walked up to the vehicle. He wouldn’t shut up about it, and he was clearly breathing. It’s pretty hard to take those people seriously since yo know he’s full of sh**. At what point do you take a drugged up felon seriously? Personally I’d have rolled him over and had another officer rest on the topside leg to prevent him from spazzing out and getting up. A handcuffed prisoner is still very dangerous and officers have died as a result of not taking that seriously.

 

Wow.... to be in jail to 2038 does seem pretty tough... considering the circumstances that he was in!!!!!

Hey this is awesome.....
I am in agreement with Buri on his comments on this topic!!!!! Buri and I tend to disagree rather vehemently on many other subjects!!!!

 

My understanding is that he wasn't killed until he was on the ground and totally under control.

Is THAT the "technique" you are referring to?

 

Pardon the pun. But this topic has “died a slow death”

the perp had his hands cuffed behind his back

How much of a threat could Floyd have been??

Chauvin is exactly where he belongs and the public is safer with him behind bars

 

Floyd died from complications of the potentially fatal levels of fentanyl in his system. Like the first autopsy found. And crime statistics from Minneapolis show that the public is less safe than they were.

 

Chauvin was absolutely guilty of negligence. He failed to employ a restraint technique properly as he was trained. I can say that with credibility as I am a former Deputy sheriff who went through the same training as him.


However, the multiple murder charges and the sentence imposed was purely political in nature.

 

Had Chauvin employed his restraint technique properly as he was trained, Floyd would have survived the ordeal. Both autopsies said the drugs in his system were not a fatal dose.

Floyd was not murdered though. He died as a result of negligence on the part of an arrogant police officer who failed to perform his duties as trained.

 

Yep

Cop that put his knee on the back of George Floyds neck for 9 minutes when he died, is rotting in prison. Cop that put his knee on the back of Tony Timpas neck for 14 minutes when he died, didnt even lose his job. "Justice" shouldnt vary based upon the color of the victims skin.

But it does. Another dead white man from a cops knee.
Lawyer: Officer's knee to neck killed man during 2018 arrest | AP News

They call it "equity"

 

Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, say Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
"If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3," Baker told investigators.

In another new document, Baker said, "That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances."
New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system | kare11.com

And from Miineapolis police training manual.

 

All the autopsies said that he did not have a fatal dose of drugs. That is a fact.

 

Yes, after they pressured him to change his conclusions

 

That didn’t happen. There’s a fact on this one. Had Chauvin acted properly in the manner in which he was trained, this whole thing would not have happened and he would be a free man still employed by the Minneapolis police department.