Did enough Sanders supporters vote for Trump to cost Clinton the election?

Over the last few election cycles, I have never heard a democrat just stand up and say, I got my ass kicked fairly and squarely. With the usual suspects they never lose an election, it was always in one way or another stolen from them.

 

There is also no evidence that there isn't some far away moon orbiting some far away planet in a Galaxy far far away that is made of entirely of green cheese. But I wouldn't bet on it were I you.

 

What is a hoot is how Trump lives in the head of liberals. They still cant believe he beat the serial liar, and all the crookedness and corruption she was involved in had to come to a screeching halt. They hate President Trump because he cant be bought and they cant control him.

 

Of course-----------------they are always victims you know.

 

I can appreciate why there is no doubt in your mind the Grifter-in-Chief won the election fairly. You don't want to consider the alternative. It's just that while you can accuse Dems of sour grapes all day long, as Don does, you simply can't be sure what Russia's impact was.

This is only a small sampling of what was done.

Donald Trump’s risky plan to use the Internet to suppress Hillary Clinton’s turnout

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lary-clintons-turnout/?utm_term=.bcff0aed55dc

“We have three major voter suppression operations underway,” another campaign official told Green and Issenberg. The campaign is targeting young white liberals, young women and black voters with negative ads focused on Hillary Clinton’s politics, Bill Clinton’s past and comments Clinton made in the 1990s about black criminals.

 

Newsweek thinks so. Before the article look at how Sanders supporters voted, 73% for Clinton, 12% for Trump and 15% third party. Compare that to her democratic base, 89% for Clinton, 8% for Trump, 3% for third party. What exit polls can't do is tell us how many sanders supporters stayed home.

Now for the article, "Bernie Sanders voters help Trump win and here's proof."

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

Sanders to Trump voters…
WI: 51k
MI: 47k
PA: 116k

Trump win margin…
WI: 22k
MI: 10k
PA: 44k

Be that as it may, personally I think independents going for Trump over Clinton was the key to Trump's win. Independents along with Hillary's laziness and very inept campaign strategy along with her ho hum campaign. Sanders supporters were just one part in an election in which it seemed Hillary took for granted.

 

Sour grapes??????? In the case of democrats they are rotten moldy grapes. Here it is getting close to 2 years ago when the serial liar was rejected, and so many democrats still whine. Time to put on your big boy and girl panties and move on.

 

I appreciate you posting that link. Thanks.

The salient question becomes what was the impact, specifically of the hacked material on Bernie's treatment by the DNC during the primaries, on those voters who switched. Also, what was the impact of the general disinformation campaign launched by the Russians on those same voters.

 

You most welcome. There was a lot more to it than just Sanders supporters.

 

But it actually doesn't show much it is very damn dangerous to project national vote tallies onto individual states and assume that x=Y. That in the long run is what cost Hillary the election. For whatever reason she and her campaign team were never able to understand that her huge popular vote lead would not get her an electoral college win because her supporters were far too concentrated in far too few states.

 

Absolutely. There was also Comey's notification to Congress that the e-mail investigation had been reopened as well as his editorial comments in announcing Hillary would not be charged in the e-mail/server investigation.

The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

 

But...........

The Election Came Down to 77,744 Votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan (Updated)

https://www.weeklystandard.com/john...n-pennsylvania-wisconsin-and-michigan-updated

Consider that in the context of the article from Newsweek.

 

I agree. If anything Sanders supporters were farther Left than Hillary supporters; and so it's highly unlikely that any but perhaps a tiny fraction were angry enough over the DNC giving Hillary the nomination that they voted for Trump. The point of this O.P is to claim that Trump is doomed for re-election because the second time around turncoat Bernie supporters are not going to vote for The Donald. What gave Trump the election win were massive numbers of independents deciding that eight years worth of Obama was a shafting experience, that Hillary was beyond the pale as a Dem Party presidential nominee, and that -- when you get right down to it -- Trump made sense.

 

The reasons just keep pouring out why Sanders Supporters should be steaming made at the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign. "the entire effort was just a ploy to satisfy disgruntled Sanders backers". Nice get them to vote for Hillary in November by hook or by crook. Sanders fans supported Bernie with their money totaling $185.8 million and their votes to the tune of 13 million cast for Bernie in the primary. The DNC worked against him in the primary then tried to fool Bernie's people at the convention in order to secure their votes in November. These folks donated their hard earned money for a candidate they believed in, then find out the system was rigged against them. There shouldn't be even a single one of those 13 million good folks that would vote Democrat (including down ticket) in November....not one. The only way of preventing this from happening again is to punish the Democrat party from top to bottom in November and let them feel the Bern the day after.

Posted 10/12/2016

 

Ummmm . . . which foreign government? We know that at a minimum the communist Chinese and Great Britain also interfered in our election. But note that interference does on mean success. Leftists have never been able to explain how interference defeated Hillary and elected Trump considering that WIKILEAKS has repeatedly stated that they did not get their data dump from the Russians. So just HOW did interference lead to the leftist political apocalypse of 2016?

 

Welllllllllllllllllllllllll . . . logically it will soon come to a close in the near future since the cafeteria has got to be running short by now of ham sandwiches for him to indict.

 

But.............this isn't speculation. It's based on surveys of voters who voted for Bernie in the primaries but voted for Don in the general.

 

There is that and there is also the emotional anguish they experience over the fact that after eight years of Barack Obama being a race-agitator, and urinating on this nation in a variety of ways that they were ready for a Change that THEY could Believe in . . . Trump. I think that it very nearly drove some of them insane as a result; the fact that the nation ended up rejecting Obama when all was said and done.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

Do you have any comments on this that do not include a mention of ham sandwiches?

 

You and Hillary still didnt .... lol.. oh you guys..

 

Which means. in essence. nothing. Without data from those exact states it is all but impossible to make the case that it had enough impact in those states. There simply is not an effective way to segregate for all the possible variables in any given state when extrapolating with national data.

 

Or hang your head in shame?

 

I doubt it, but we won't know since its impossible to know if someone is a Sander's voter (or would have been had he run).

Trump won primarily because Hillary was an awful campaigner.

 

Sorry two plus two does not equal twenty-five

 

I voted for Governors Johnson and Weld, but I live in California so it doesn't matter because of the idiotic Electoral College. If I had to pick between the two turds that the Demikins and Republicrats put out there, I would have sat it out.