Do you consider yourself a feminist?

privileged schmiviledged. There is not any laws discriminating groundlessly on sex as far as I know, so the sought after equality is already been achieved. I quite frankly don't care if the average income of women is lower than that of males, or if any ethnic group have lower income generally than whites. As long as it's legally equality I don't care, at all. And I especially don't want the state to discriminate against me becauase i'm a male in the name of some bogus gender equality.

 

There doesn't have to be a law. There is more than enough data to show that the discrimination is there and not small. We are far from equality in pay, in job quality, in sexual rights. We still blame rape victims in this country more than the rapist. No one is discriminating against you based on your gender, it's one gender asking for equality in society and the eyes of the government.

If you weren't the privileged group, you'd be singing a different tune.

 

Everything ok with you? May one help you? Did you eat something rotten or something like that? I am seriously worried about your health.

 

There's data showing that women do in fact get paid as much as men for equal work, and that the percieved differences are because men and women tend to choose different professions, and because women typically temporarily halt their careers to raise children. Men and women are different, and thus is given full freedom will not achieve equal results. Women generally seem to sply for lower paying jobs, and men go for higher paid ones. A career is something one must put effort into, and women also have to raise children. Is it any suprise, is it even wrong, that women's income on average is lower? No

Legally, there's equality. Find me one law that discriminates based on sex without any good reason. Oh yeah, you might find laws that actually discriminate against men in the name of gender equality, atleast in sweden. How can that possibly be justified? And that's what feminism whines about also.

I haven't noticed this 'blaming rape on the victims' talk. In fact, I haven't noticed the general partiarchy or culture or rape feminists like to talk about either. I feel very confident when I say that those views are held by a freak minority, and are not relfective of society overall (the view on rape that is). Most people would blame the rape on the rapist. Of course, there's things to be said about the irresponsibility of going out half naked and getting drunk though..

You know, the fun thing is that I, as a white male, am actually being discriminated against. Feminist will tell me how I'm a priviledged group blabla, while the state makes sure that I can't get that job even if I'm more qualified because it's reserved for some ethnic group or a woman. Feminism in western countries, especially sweden, is a joke.

 

I thought I would only hear this type of BS from an ignorant American. I wonder how old you are? I have an idea but I wonder if I am right.

 

And I'm not at all suprised that I'd hear denial of reality from you.

debate. I'm not interested in chit chat.

 

Yes, I am a feminist, but not a Radical Feminist. There's a difference.

 

Both men and women have gender-defined strengths and weaknesses that typically compliment/support each other. Obviously nature has meant for men and women to couple, enhance each other and become a strong family unit in order to procreate and raise the next generation of human beings.

Feminism, with its almost obsessive agenda for 'social equality', seeks to neutralize ALL differences between men and women thereby setting up needless competition instead of loving cooperation and acceptance that neither sex can do it all or have it all without the other.

 

I completely agree with you. However, I voted no simply because the radicals tend to control feminist discussions and therefore, they set the agenda.

 

You lying sack of crap you're contributing to the patriarchy! ಠ_ಠ (note to mods I'm screwing with him and he knows it.)
By the way you left your bag of PS3 games at my place.

 

Yeah, I was just watching Breaking Bad and then I remembered. We can probably hang out at the end of the week, so I'll have them, then.

 

I don't consider myself to be a feminist but I do feel that it is wrong that women are paid less than men simply because they are women. A woman with skills that are equal to that of a man should be paid the same as the man but unfortunately that is not the case in many instances.

 

Are women unequal? It's the first I've heard of it. We have women Representatives in the House, women in the Senate, women as CEOs of large corporations, women as teachers, principals, superintendents, provosts & presidents of schools, women in the military, women ministers, etc. My wife is several people's boss in a predominantly male organization and makes more money than me.

I fail to see how feminists are still needed in this society.

Feminists only still exist to undermine the fundamental bases this country was founded on and to push a Communist and man-eating agenda. If they want something to do, send them to the Middle East. What? They won't go? Hypocrites.

Abortion has nothing to do with female equality. It has everything to do with legalizing infanticide.

 

You're forgetting women on average (not rare cases you mention) are paid much less than men even when their degrees and skill level are the same, or often even better. Very few women are in high positions in government and the corporate world. Just because a very small few have gained a position of power or are doing well, does not mean that is the norm. You can't use, the "a few are doing okay so they all have equality" argument when that is a rare exception to the rule. It is not as rare as it was 30 or 40 years ago, I'll give you that. However, a slight improvement doesn't mean the problem of inequality is solved. Women are more likely to live in poverty. There is still a need for feminism when you'll make less money, be less likely to get promoted and have less benefits just for being a female.

But, it's more than just the political and business world. Women are still objectified and treated as property in the modern world. We have a culture that blames the rape victims more than the rapist. Look at any add, tv show or movie and women are still viewed as objects for the pleasure of men, not people with rights. Don't confuse some small gains over the last 100 years as achieving success and equality. There are some crazy radicals who hate men and want to have more power than man, but that is the extreme(over-represented by the media). Every group has their extremes and sadly people think they represent the movement and the media pretends they do. I don't support anyone wanting more rights than others, but I support groups who still aren't treated as equals gaining equality. The majority of feminist just want equality and are not man hating lesbians wanting to rule. Just like not every Arab or Muslim wants to kill non-believers, or every Republican is a racist and homophobic and so on.

 

I am not a feminist. Why? Because many feminists nowadays feel that women are superior to men. They want men to pay more in child support, they have double standards, etc.

 

Eh, no. studies show that women with the same qualifications actually make the same as men. This is a common misunderstanding of statistics. This is because women on average makes less money than men, but women also have less profitable jobs than men on average so it's all in order. Some confuse that to mean women are payed less for the same work, which simply isn't true.

Well, do women even want to to the same extent as men? Women play by the same rules as men, and we have merkel in germany and hillary as presidential candidate so don't you come talk about discrimination.

There is no inequlity in terms of law. There is in results, but why is that even desirable? Why is inequality even a problem? Is it not better to have people do what they want and succeed and according to their merit?

So are men, and what's the problem?

And no, society doesn't blame rape victims more than the rapist. Unless feminists are talking about the islamic world, I have absolutely no idea where they get this from.

 

No - a humanist

 

Even the Liberal NYT disagrees with you: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/b...-breadwinner-on-the-rise-study-says.html?_r=0

 

I'm a dogist.

 

You're missing several key points. First, breadwinner has nothing to do with equality or poverty. Second, the article states that many are single moms, so as that increases, the percent of breadwinners for families will. That has nothing to do with equality. I didn't say things haven't improved, but improving doesn't mean things are equal, just a little better. Women are still paid less, and in less positions of power and leadership than men. Just because things have improved, doesn't mean they are fixed. Just because a lot of progress has been made doesn't mean everything is okay now.

 

Women are now legally equal to men and most men aren't misogynists. "Feminism" is now a cover for "matriarchy".

 

I'm a feminist in that my philosophy ignores gender. Women should be equal under the rule of liberty.

However, I disagree with a lot of typically feminist ideology like the equal pay movement, radical feminist conceptions of hate speech, etc.

 

When does the law make things equal? Maybe in theory, but never in reality.

 

Exactly, never in reality. Why do you even want equality anyways? Seems to me to be a really stupid end, which is used to justify all sorts of discriminatory practises.

 

Unless you're in favour of a totalitarian state, you can never force people not to have some kind of in-born prejudice in some way about women. Nor can you stop people from saying things you might find offensive.

Suck it up buttercup.