Does Trump understand he will lose this media fight?

So what?

Who cares?

 

The numbers don't support your position. Trump's approval rating are tanking with each executive order he issues. His team has had to make up terms like "alternative facts" and "fake news" to explain away what's been reported in the media. Trump declared war on the press, not the other way around. The media only began to push back when blatant lies were used to justify things he was doing. There were not 3 million illegal votes. There was no Bowling Green Massacre going unreported on the news. We have not had terror attacks from the countries listed in the travel ban. People didn't have to doubt their own "lying" eyes, when it came to how many people attended the inauguration. When a patriot turns down a position like National Security Advisor calling it a ____ sandwich, it speaks loudly. And there is significant concern about Russian connections to his campaign, as evidenced in town hall questions. If he is winning, his approval rating would be high.

Mark Twain said, "Never go to war with people that buy ink by the barrel." The media doesn't even have to make things up. Trump is stumbling badly. His core supporters don't care if he lies, but the majority of the American people do. The American people trust the media more than they trust Trump. He lost the skirmishes, the battles, and is losing the war.

 

Not according to Rasmussen.
23-Feb-17 52%
22-Feb-17 51%
21-Feb-17 50%
20-Feb-17 51%
17-Feb-17 55%
16-Feb-17 55%
15-Feb-17 53%
14-Feb-17 52%
13-Feb-17 52%
10-Feb-17 52%
9-Feb-17 53%
8-Feb-17 53%
7-Feb-17 53%
6-Feb-17 53%
3-Feb-17 54%
2-Feb-17 53%
1-Feb-17 53%
31-Jan-17 51%
30-Jan-17 53%
27-Jan-17 55%
26-Jan-17 59%
25-Jan-17 57%
24-Jan-17 57%
23-Jan-17 55%
20-Jan-17 56%
Average: 54%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Both terms were coined by the liberal media.

Trump "declared war" on Media outlets that compare him to Hitler and constantly refer to him as racist, bigoted, homophobic, fascist and anti-Semitic.
Apparently the Press believes it can say what it wants and not suffer any repercussion.

Any other fake news you'd like to try to foist upon the unsuspecting and/or incurious?

 

Trump's many baseless claims work against his fight with the media. Trump can't take the moral high ground when he is part of the problem.

 

Cherry picking polls? OK. Believe that the majority of Americans think Trump is doing a good job.

Here's a new poll posted 5 hours ago… approval rating 32%. http://www.post-gazette.com/news/po...ion-of-state-and-country/stories/201702230147

I watched the words "alternative facts" come out of KellyAnne Conway's mouth in an interview. I saw "fake news" posted on Trump's Twitter and him say "very fake news" in a press conference. Unless you are counting him as being the media, the media did not create those terms.

Defend Trump's attacks on the media, if you like. His twitter feed is public. People can see things for themselves. He said the media was the enemy of the American people. The media never said Trump was the enemy.

 

Sorry you don't like the truth.

Nothing here disproves what I said.

Defend the media's whining about being mistreated by Trump after their irrational, irresponsible and unsupportable charges against him, if you like -- his twitter feed is public; people can see things for themselves.

 

You and every American should care that we are not getting real news. The Media is supposed to print and distribute only the truth. Not as their ideological subjectively dictates they lie to the PEOPLE.

 

One poll does not make you the purveyor of truth. Cite all the polls that show Trump with a positive approval rating versus the polls that show him with a negative approval rating, and we might be getting somewhere close to the truth. You did not refute my position with one poll.

Of course I disproved what you said about the terms "alternate facts" and "fake news." Cite a credible reference that shows the media using those terms before they came out of Conway's mouth or appeared in Trump's twitter. I know what I saw.

I'm not defending the media. I stated my opinion, and cited relevant information, as to why I believe that Trump is not winning the war he instigated with the media. Refute it if you can.

 

I don't trust polling anymore--pretty much caller ID and cell phones have destroyed it's ability to predict. Hillary won according to polling. Trump has won the media battle--the media just doesn't know it yet.

 

I trust polling. The polling wasn't off in the election. The interpretation of who would win based on polling was off… but only slightly and still within the margin of error. Of course though, you're free to believe as you wish.

 

Likewise.
Of course your original claim had no support attached at all, so...

No, You didn't You provided a personal anecdote. Anecdotes prove nothing.

Keep telling yourself that.
Trump will win the war because the press - those who "report" the news - needs Trump - he who makes the news - more than Trump needs the press.
Refute it if you can.

 

The Media is doing exactly what he wants. No he is not losing anything here. We are of course but not Trump.

 

I suggest you re-read it then. There is data there. You don't have to accept it any more than I have to accept yours though.

I know what I saw, but here's a link - http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/kellyanne-conway-alternative-facts/
Here's Trump on fake news- https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/832708293516632065

Any you have posted bupkis citations for your statement that those terms came from media.

No need to refute your opinion. You're welcome to it, but we don't agree.

If Trump's winning, then his objective must be to have the lowest approval rating for a President ever. W holds that at 37.3%. Trump is at 38%, so he's close. Maybe he needs to say "very, very fake news" and he'll really win.

 

That's an issue. The media is supposed to influence us with the information. If you know they are giving good info and it means nothing to you then that's a problem.

 

Everything you said is true. The problem is that they were all out for him in the beginning anyways.

 

For the wrong reasons. Now they are correct. We as the public need to understand this.

 

But not the Rasmussen poll which was actually the only poll that nailed the popular vote, right? Cause according to this most accurate election poll Trump's approval is at 52%, you know

Nah, he is winning because the entire country is discussing media dishonesty, fake news, corruption, elitism, because the presumption of media's integrity and objectivity in the minds of the American people has been shattered, because going forward people (even the gullible ones) will question the veracity of the media's narrative and information and will resort to alternative sources of information to double-check what they took for granted as recently as a few months ago. Given that the media's honesty is a major topic of the national agenda, Trump's already won.

 

Well, if you look at Rasmussen's accuracy overall, they aren't very accurate. However, in a later post than the one to which you responded, I said, we'd be closer to the truth if we look at every poll… the ones that have Trump's approval rating high and the ones that have it low. Do I accept Rasmussen? Sure. Do you accept the others that show him sliding? Which poll is out of line with the others? Wonder why that is the one you like?

I'm not sure how you know what the entire country is talking about, but there is plenty talk about the Russian connections, and direct confrontation by constituents with their representatives about it. It's on the news in the papers, and online. The only ones I see talking about "fake news" are Trump loyalists. Maybe you can point me to a place where non-Trump loyalists, all over the country, are rejecting the veracity of the media and instead accepting the White House version of information?

Trump's not winning the battle with the media. CNN just reported that the White House contacted the FBI to make the press stop saying things about the Trump/ Russia connections. The FBI was all… nope.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/polit...k-down-recent-trump-russia-stories/index.html

 

Good points.

 

How nice of you to speak about Trump's approval rating and substitute it with the RCP "favorability" rating because it's lower. Hey, what's a little cheating between friends, right? You must be learning these tricks from the media . Here is the link to Trump's job approval and while it's not earth-shattering, he has 44.2%-50.2% approval/disapproval, it's higher than the number you provided and it certainly is not sliding, it's been pretty stable.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

LOL, how about this thread for starters, and a dozen similar threads. These discussions about the media integrity and honesty (or lack of thereof) and fake news are everywhere - in the media (every tv channel, every newspaper), on facebook, message boards, political and other discussion forums and the media is totally on the defensive, whining non-stop about their relevance and importance. The fact that the issue is discussed and media's honesty is under public scrutiny is already mission accomplished.... Lest we forget that their favorability rating was just barely above that of the congress in the first place. The lying lazy biased corporate media has been exposed and people can't help but take notice, fewer and fewer people will take their word for anything, knowing that their reputation is less than stellar.

 

The problem is no one will believe them if they find anything real. They (*)(*)(*)(*)ed themselves by going all in in the election to defeat Trump and everybody in the country knows it . That and their perpetual outrage over the tiniest thing he says means they have no credibility. No one believes anything they say except for the lunatic snowflakes who just can't accept he beat their asses.

 

CNN? Fake news.

BTW. What exactly was it the Russian are supposed to have Done? I mean other than release some Democrat party emails that showed collusion between the media and the Hillary campaign and cheating Bernie out of the primaries?

 

To add, which hasn't been proven.

 

There are quite a few Russian connections with the Trump campaign, transition team, and the deal with Flynn. I'm sure you can Google, but if you see CNN as fake news, don't bother.

 

I highly doubt that a dozen threads here is any indication of how the average American thinks. This is a place for those already interested in following politics.

Your link shows low numbers for Trump too. He has low favorability and low approval. People don't think he is doing a good job. Spin it however you wish.