Egyptian army slaughters protestors (Thread #2 )

Your knowledge of faiths is very limited, or you would have said fundamentalist Islam not religion. They are at war with the whole world. Live and learn.

 

The people who took part in "sit-ins " are mere tools /fodder /, gullible suckers.

You might understand more if you focused + Questioned the motives + methods of their leaders

tata.............

 

Until they knocked it down on Wednesday.

 

Just let me know when you've got that evidence. You've made like seven posts of copout when you could have just made one post to show this aleged video.

 

I am not, I regret the blood shed of course I do.

But I wasn't there I do not know. Did one soldier get trigger happy, frightened, or was it purposefully 'hit 'em hard'. Did they start it or not? I don't know, here in the West we are only told what they want us to know from the angle they want us to see it from.

I might watch the News to see how they want us to think this week and about what they want us to think this week that is all, it is sickening I can't watch it any more ............... or to perhaps catch a glimpse of a friend as I did friday at Balcome.

We have seen clashes with protesters go wrong all over the Globe including on our own streets. It is usually the clash of the people against the Establishment. This was the people against the people over a broken Establishment. Bye bye broken Establishment and please will every one disperse and go home ................... No, it seems vandalism ensued and other people got pissed off with one side of the people against the other people ..........Police can't cope so the Military steps in ................

 

HUH ? The whole world - really ? AFAI can tell - it appears that their fears are a reaction to what they perceive as "western imperialism". THey just want to left alone and not forced to accept/subscribe to "western values."

What's so bad about that ?


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In your esteem ...................... not in actuality though.

 

I was referring to your government, and said "for the most part".. Obviously they are getting worse, on both sides of the pond. (way worse in USA).

I have had some bad experiences with UK cops, including the rent-a-cop bicycle patrol police-impersonator PCSO's . As with USA cops. I didn't say anything about the cops other than they haven't killed you, unlike what would happen in Egypt. That I can deduce by your posts appearing in real-time.

I didn't say that. What I said was, you can only blame the Egypt "government" for sparking a powder keg on Wednesday. This is the most obvious cause and effect relationship I've ever seen since the last time I said the wrong thing to a girl and got slapped... I don't know why people don't be honest and recognize that all this started when the police began their Tienamen Square campaign. It's little different than the people who blame Palestinians for Israeli settlement building.

 

Most Religion is by definition fundamentalism to me there are just differing degrees. Spirituality is another matter and when it is withing a structure I might call it a Philosophy or a Mystery or Gnostic.

Now, since you were rude about my knowledge or rather lack of I answered you thus but ................. yes, if we measured by spirituality and fundamenalism rather than the umbrella it may sit under we would have a better and clearer World to live in.

 

Yes they were fodder, okay. You are describing them with adjective, when you should produce verbs. What evil ACTS did they do? You claimed they were evil "doers". Can you name any of these evil deeds?

I might understand more if you simply told me what evil deeds they did.

 

Good. You rise a notch above some of the other heartless people.

Hundreds were killed in a short period of time. Bulldozers ran over people. It was clearly a case of "hit 'em hard". As far as angles, the "security" forces did more to bias the picture by deterring documentation with fatal force.

All media suffers now.

Until someone can give me a different answer for why they shot dead multiple cameramen, I will consider that the proof that they were trying to hide their own blame.

I might watch the News to see how they want us to think this week and about what they want us to think this week that is all, it is sickening I can't watch it any more ............... or to perhaps catch a glimpse of a friend as I did friday at Balcome.

Crackdowns on a protest don't usually get this bad, anywhere in the world (except maybe NK, which we would never know as it's an information black hole) this one is approaching the worst since Tienamen Square.

Vandalism is a petty crime. In fact, you would expect some forms of petty crime with hundreds of thousands of protestors out. In fact, even with ZERO protests you would still have crimes occurring. Vandalism would never warrant deadly force.

 

First of all I am English not American and secondly I didn't slap you.

I do not know why it kicked off in Egypt, I wasn't there.

Fisk said 'Sissi are these not Egypts children too, he said Sissi has children how could he?' but from what he also said Copts were being killed and some of the MB lot were being atrocious so .................... why? I don't know and was it a spark which stopped a worst explosion happening ? My feeling is he, Sissi may have decided to take the situation into his own hands to keep some control over a situation he saw would be even more chaotic if left to run.

We can't go back it is now Sunday.

 

So you're saying the protestors started the chaos? What exactly did they do?

 

I think the problem conflict started long before yr "Wednesday"


btw making comparisons with " Tienamen Square " and Palestinian Jewish settlers/colonists - land grab issues - are foolish - as no two conflicts are ever identical and likely to lead to daft conclusions. .

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I'm aware of that; I never said otherwise. I am comparing UK to USA because I lived on both sides.

Really? I could have sworn a hand just materialized out of my computer screen and gave me a solid slap. I gotta lay off these drugs! LOL I said "a" girl, not you! It was meant to be a slightly humorous bit of figurative language.

That response can only cause chaos. Even isolated crime doesn't warrant indiscriminate firing at civilians.

If only they left those journalists, maybe we WOULD have a better idea! If MB were to blame for starting it, the "security" forces wouldn't mind that being shown to the world. Killing the cameraman is a nearly solid indication that police started things. No one else can suggest a reason other than this for the journalist attacks. (They know in their hearts what the only reason to kill journalists is, they just can't admit it). Their indiscriminate response killing hundreds confirms it.

Unfortunately no but the "security" forces can fall back and end the aggression any time. The sooner the better.

 

How so? If true, it wouldn't require opening fire on a crowd indiscriminately on a future date, would it?

This is nearly identical to Tienamen Square, and at this rate, it will surpass the death toll in days.

I didn't say the situations were the same. I said the "blame the victim" mentality is what's the same.

 

I think we can find someone to change your mind on that.

 

Dude youre the one dragging this out. I have been crystal clear. Put your money where you mouth is or stop bothering me.

 

Don't accuse me of dragging this out when you have made JUST AS MANY posts to continue it. Not to mention that if you think this is "dragging out" then it only proves how much effort you're wasting in leue of a simple posting of an example.

And don't accuse me of "bothering" you, as I have every right to respond when YOU try to get MY attention by quoting me. Quote me and then whine about getting responses? Give me a break!

You have yet to offer terms for me! Money in both our mouths.

 

Well no, in that answer that is not what I was saying. I said that in your esteem the Egyptian Military had stopped being a pillar though not in reality. For if it were not there most certianly Chaos would have and would now ensue.

You are mistaking my stance which is with the Egyptians who want a secular Parliament rather than with those who want an Islamic Fundi Parliament for thinking that I agree with the violence that has taken place. That is for the Egyptians to sort out the who whys and whats of. I cannot Judge them. I am not them nor am I their God nor Gov

I lay the blame for it at the feet of our own of Cameron and Clinton in their insistence for instant democracy in a place whose structures were built for Hegemony and Colonialism without time to rectify any of that. So for me it goes back further than Wednesday .................Wednesday was a consequence.

 

Was a cameraman killed? Who says so Sky/ Murdock ......not saying he absolutly didn't exist before he died but I can't find any proof of him nor can others I know who are better at it than me and nor has any of my old mates who might have heard of him ............so I reserve judgement on that one.

But journalists have been fair game since the USA started murdering them in Iraq .................. since then they have been 'in season' from all sides sometimes for lying and sometimes for truth or to blame the other side ............

You are being over romantic about the MB all their followers and the whole situation. Life ain't full of goodies and baddies we are all more complicated than that.

It was sad, I don't know why it happened. I can't say more than that.

How Egypt will come to terms with it, how or if they will resolve their problems/differences and move on .................. those are the questions.

 

Terrorists under the beds don'cha know ? Please do take notice !

 

Nothing to do with heartlessness or heart. We can and most of us do or have cried for the sorrows of our bros and sisters and other innocents on this Planet of injustices and pain and all that but .................. we, if we are to survive and try to make sense of it all and perhaps find a way of living in peace together we must learn the tricks of, say nurses for eg, and detach and look at the whole pic ............... with clarity, your tears won't help we get rain enough in Eng ..........go to Texas they need some I hear.

 

Wrong, you quoted me first. Post #25.

 

And the message of yours I quoted was your last response. Me first you last = even. The post in which you complained about the back and forth evened out the back and forth. My next post specified that.

So you hate being bothered but you'll attempt to quibble over number of posts? Petty point scoring but you didn't even score the point.

So, what's your offer? You claimed my refusal to put up money (why would I for a one-sided wager) meant I wasn't confident.. So let's see if you refuse to put up money for a third time, and see if the same applies to you. If you had that evidence you would have no problem, right? That was your argument!