Electoral College Revolt Growing Into 'Powerful Show of Force'

Hillary is a pathological woman who conned this country many times with foreign influence. If Trump's character flaws disqualify him as president, Hillary's also disqualify her. So get me a different president.

 

Are you talking about that birtherism that sprang from Hillary's camp? Nice try...

 

Ahem... We don't use that metric for the sole purpose that 48 other states don't need CA and NY making our decision. That's the whole reason the winner of each state gets a certain number of electorates. The path is groomed and clear cut for the democrat each election year but Clinton sucked so bad and spent so much time pandering to the minority instead of the working class that the democrats epically failed.

The majority of voters in the majority of states picked Trump. Thanks for the luck, I'll keep it in my pocket so we can win even bigger next time.

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If you can't see it, I've got bad news for you.

 

I doubt it since conservatives boast they never riot; only liberals would riot in the street so all will be safe.

 

Well, I'd be pretty upset if America voted for Trump and the electors took the election from him. Am I to assume you'd stand idly by in silence if they did the same to obama or clinton had she won?

 

Lol yes... Trump is at fault for jobless losers rioting in the streets.

Nailed it.

 

Hahhaha wasnt obama elected using the electoral? Yes or no

 

Here's the thing, had Hillary won the election and republicans refused to hand her the presidency(in whatever way they could)and they began rioting and marching against her, I would have to take a stand against them. I truly dislike and despise Clinton but we are a nation of laws. And while I may not be or ever have been a member of the armed forces, I would play whatever role was necessary in order to defend our laws and nation.

Same with Trump, I only dislike him a little bit less then I do Clinton but I will take a stand if it came to it. We had an election. Trump won. It's not a matter of whether we like the outcome or not, it's a matter of celebrating our opportunity and freedom to cast that vote. Not every nation has that right and it's important to recognize that no matter who wins an election, we are all free.

 

This question tells me you haven't been keeping up with politics in America.

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Your statement, once again, assumes that winner-take-all for each state is the only option. Every time you say "the people chose" or "America voted," you aren't talking about a majority. You are talking about a state-by-state system that informs the electors before the electors vote, and each statement of "th people chose" and "America voted" presumes that the electors are obligated to vote in a winner-take-all fashion.

I'd say the same thing I'm saying now: it would be unwise, but the hypocritical reaction is amusing.

 

What would it matter? All that would do is force the election to the House, who has to choose between Hillary and Trump. Do you actually think that the reps from states Trump won are going to vote for Hillary?

 

The people in each state vote for the candidate of their choice. Whoever gets the most votes in all but Maine get the electoral votes. It gives all of us a voice.

If, say, California wanted Trump and gave their electoral votes to Trump even though the majority of California voted for Clinton, it would be a different story. If it's up to the 538 electors to choose who the president is, why do citizens bother voting? Why don't we just do away with all of it and let the SCOTUS vote for the president? LOL...

 

I had no idea there were this many routes to winning an election that your candidate lost... But leave it to America's crybabies to find every last one of them. Imagine if they'd put this much effort into Clinton's scandals instead of pushing them aside and ignoring them.

 

Why I remember when Dems were worried that Trump would try to contest the election results. Now, in their desperation they have marched and rioted and burned and looted in various "Not MY President" marches, beaten and threatened Trump supporters, issued death threats to Republican electors, attempted recounts in certain states that had close outcomes, are trying to suborn electors to vote opposite of their commitments, pushing fake news about Russian intelligence swinging the election, and in general behaving like sore loser children overturning the Monopoly board.

[video=youtube;aYrJsfqwvOQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYrJsfqwvOQ[/video]

 

Truer words have not been spoken better...

 

republicans control 34 state governorships. in 29 states republicans control both houses. republicans control the federal senate, house, and presidency if the isn't a freaken mandate I don't know what the hell is
This is a republican controlled nation get over it elections have consequences Trump won so go sit your ass in the back

 

All drivel.

We objectively are not a militiized, or police state.

 

Prove it.

 

Nope. Electoral college voters were designed to be independent votes to protect the country from con men, charlatans, and foreign influence.


Alexander Hamilton described the framers' view of how electors would be chosen, "A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated [tasks]."[28] The founders assumed this would take place district by district. That plan was carried out by many states until the 1880s. For example, in Massachusetts in 1820, the rule stated "the people shall vote by ballot, on which shall be designated who is voted for as an Elector for the district."[29] In other words, the people did not place the name of a candidate for a president on the ballot, instead they voted for their local elector, whom they trusted later to cast a responsible vote for president.

Some states reasoned the favorite presidential candidate among the people in their state would have a much better chance if all of the electors selected by their state were sure to vote the same way – a "general ticket" of electors pledged to a party candidate.[30] So the slate of electors chosen by the state were no longer free agents, independent thinkers, or deliberative representatives. They became "voluntary party lackeys and intellectual non-entities."[31] Once one state took that strategy, the others felt compelled to follow suit in order to compete for the strongest influence on the election.[30]

When James Madison and Hamilton, two of the most important architects of the Electoral College, saw this strategy being taken by some states, they protested strongly. Madison and Hamilton both made it clear this approach violated the spirit of the Constitution. According to Hamilton, the selection of the president should be "made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station [of president]."[28] According to Hamilton, the electors were to analyze the list of potential presidents and select the best one. He also used the term "deliberate." Hamilton considered a pre-pledged elector to violate the spirit of Article II of the Constitution insofar as such electors could make no "analysis" or "deliberate" concerning the candidates. Madison agreed entirely, saying that when the Constitution was written, all of its authors assumed individual electors would be elected in their districts and it was inconceivable a "general ticket" of electors dictated by a state would supplant the concept. Madison wrote to George Hay,

The district mode was mostly, if not exclusively in view when the Constitution was framed and adopted; & was exchanged for the general ticket [many years later].[32]

The founders assumed electors would be elected by the citizens of his district, and that elector was to be free to analyze and deliberate regarding who is best suited to be president.

Madison and Hamilton were so upset by what they saw as a distortion of the framers’ original intent, they advocated for a constitutional amendment to prevent anything other than the district plan: "the election of Presidential Electors by districts, is an amendment very proper to be brought forward," Madison told George Hay in 1823.[32] Hamilton went further. He actually drafted an amendment to the Constitution mandating the district plan for selecting electors.[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

They should do their job and not vote for Donald.

Nope. Nothing I said gave you reason to think that.

You mean the election where Clinton got almost 3 million more votes?

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Clinton could come close to being the pathological liar Donald is in her wildest dreams.


Trump lies over one year 10/1/15 to 10/1/16


“Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

"I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

“My opponent has no child care plan."

Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

"Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

"I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

"We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

On gift taking, "Bob McDonnell took a fraction of what (Tim) Kaine took."

Says Ted Cruz "never denied" his father was photographed with Lee Harvey Oswald.

"We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."

Says Hillary Clinton "has even deleted this record of total support (for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement) from her book."

"For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America."

"The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State."

"Crime is rising."

"I wanted to keep it private, because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets."

It "is Hillary Clinton's agenda" to "release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released."

"Look, we are at war with these people and they don't wear uniforms. … This is a war against people that are vicious, violent people, that we have no idea who they are, where they come from. We are allowing tens of thousands of them into our country now."

Says Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

"Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."

The 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix."

Says that when Michelle Fields "found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed."

"Out of 67 counties (in Florida), I won 66, which is unprecedented. It's never happened before."

"I don't know anything about David Duke."

Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."

Says that in the Philippines more than a century ago, Gen. John Pershing "took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood," and shot 49 Muslim rebels. "The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem."

"Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. The number's probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

A Trump television ad shows Mexicans swarming over "our southern border."

President Barack Obama "wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria."

Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

"I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats."

The Trans-Pacific Partnership "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."

"I never said that" Marco Rubio was Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator.

Says Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent."

All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 though Oct 1, 2016, all:



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Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

"NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

"I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

"You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

"I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

"Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

"I was totally against the war in Iraq."

"I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

"I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

"The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

"Youth unemployment is through the roof."

"An analysis showed that Bernie Sanders would have won the Democratic nomination if it were not for the Super Delegates."

Says Hillary Clinton "wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment."

"Hillary Clinton invented ISIS with her stupid policies. She is responsible for ISIS."

Says as GOP was picking a convention city, "I recommended Ohio."

"Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) — her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country."

"As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."

Says Hillary Clinton "filibustered legislation to reform" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Says Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open borders."

The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed."

"Because of Obamacare, you have so many part-time jobs."

"I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."

Even among "second and third generation" Muslims in the United States, "there's no real assimilation."

There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.

We’ve broken "by millions" the all-time record for votes in a GOP presidential primary election.

"There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously."

Says Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."

"You have to be a citizen to vote," but with same-day voter registration, "you have places where people just walk in and vote."

"We're the highest taxed nation in the world."

"In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in the history of the Republican party."

ISIS is making millions of dollars a week selling Libyan oil."

"I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it would destabilize the Middle East."

The Colorado caucus system for selecting Republican delegates is "rigged."

Says Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio "had it set so that the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that I didn't get anything" in the Florida primary.

"My numbers are better right now than Ronald Reagan's numbers were with Jimmy Carter."

Says Ted Cruz distributed the ad showing a nude Melania Trump on a rug.

Wisconsin’s "effective" unemployment rate is 20 percent.

"When those restrictions expire (in the Iran nuclear deal), Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go."

The Trump Winery near Charlottesville, Va. is the "largest winery on the East Coast."

Under the Iran nuclear deal, "we give them $150 billion, we get nothing."

Says the man who rushed the stage at him in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts.

"GDP was zero essentially for the last two quarters."

Common Core is "education through Washington D.C."

The wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and went back to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes.

Says Mahatma Gandhi once said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Says "the New York Times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued."

"We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."

When Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate, "that was the end" of Romney’s chances to win.

"If it weren’t for me … (illegal immigration) wouldn’t even be a big subject."

"Right now we’re the highest taxed country in the world."

"I never once asked that (Megyn Kelly) be removed" as a debate moderator.

Says Mexico can afford to build a wall because the country's trade deficit with America is billions of dollars.

Among Syrian refugees and migrants coming into Europe, "there look like very few women. Very few children."

The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl are "back on the battlefield."

Canadian-born Ted Cruz "has had a double passport."

The 9/11 terrorists' friends, family, girlfriends in the United States "were sent back for the most part to Saudi Arabia. They knew what was going on. They went home, and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

Says his plan would cut taxes without increasing the deficit.

Says Ohio Gov. John Kasich "got lucky with a thing called fracking," which "is why Ohio is doing well."

"Sixty-one percent of our bridges are in trouble."

Says CIA Director George Tenet told the Bush administration that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack "was coming. So they did have advanced notice."

"We have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world."

Among Syrian refugees, "there aren't that many women, there aren't that many children."

"The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

Says Mexico doesn't have birthright citizenship, and Americans are the "only ones" to have it.

Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be on Iran’s side."

"We have 93 million people out of work. They look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden, statistically, they're considered employed."

"We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."

"Some of the things that (Megyn Kelly) said, I didn’t say."

Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind until I brought it up at my announcement."

Under President Barack Obama, income levels and unemployment numbers "are worse now than just about ever" for African-Americans.

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More RW propaganda fake news.

 

When you refer to 3 million more votes, you're talking about California and New York. That's where they came from.

 

The fact that you keep repeating that, which delegitimatizes Hillary Clinton more than it does Trump is truly baffling.

 

1. so what. 2. it the nationwide totals.

 

What I see is the highly populated areas of our country(California and New York). I mean let's face it, Trump wasn't winning either of those states. All 3 million of those votes counted, in their states. When 30 states don't vote for you, they continue to keep republicans in congress, the senate, and state legislatures and governorships throughout the country, I'd say there is a mandate.

 

So your position is that people in populace states who don't support your position should get to vote?

No mandate when you get 3 million votes less than your opponent.

 

It's so what to you because you think the popular vote matters.

Nationwide vote: 30 states to trump, 20 to Clinton.