FISA Judges Have Been Informed - What Are They Doing????

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Yes for violating espionage laws not the lying to congress and obstruction she committed. When did Stone violate the espionage laws?

    If Stone lied to Congress and investigators lock him up, or more likely fine him heavily since there was no underlying crime.

    Now are you calling for Hillary to be locked up?
     
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    Espionage, terrorism, sedition and treason are hardly "white collar" crimes. We don't use FISA warrants for wire fraud.
     
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    https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default...aneous/ForeignIntelligenceSurveillanceAct.pdf

    FISA has since its enactment been a bold and productive tool in this country’s fight against the efforts of foreign governments and their agents to engage in intelligence-gathering aimed at the U.S. government, either to ascertain its future policy or to effect its current policy, to acquire proprietary information not publicly available, or to engage in disinformation efforts. With the enactment of the USA PATRIOT Act FISA has been expanded and broadened to make it a useful tool in exposing and combating foreign terrorist groups’ efforts to target the United States. In recognition that such acts cannot be neatly or easily separated into intelligence versus criminal cases, the FISA Court of Review has clarified the threshold that must be met in order for FISA to be used. The Court eliminated the “primary purpose” doctrine, under which no FISA-related operational undertaking could occur unless it was primarily intended to obtain foreign intelligence. Rather, the Court, relying on its understanding of the Congressional intent behind the enactment of FISA and the wording of FISA itself, held that a FISA-related operation is justified where “a significant purpose” of such operation is to obtain foreign intelligence. This has cleared away much of the detritus that developed around FISA that had historically impeded the use of FISA in criminal investigations and the use of FISA information in criminal prosecutions.
     
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    When was Stone charged with those offenses? Stone's arrest wasn't on a FISA warrant.
     
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    What has this have to do with anything? Search and especially FISA warrant requests require strict procedures and scrutiny. Whether the defendant is there, and as you say that is never, does not alter the legal requirements -- which in this case were purposely not met, meaning they were deliberately fraudulent.
     
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    At least the chants were in response to known felonies committed by Clinton -- to which even Comey admitted.
     
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    You are avoiding the significant difference in getting a FISA warrant against a foreign agent and one against a US citizen.
     
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    I must have missed Hillary’s conviction.

    Republicans and their sycophants have a new Authoritarian standard employed by Communists. Guilty until proven innocent.
     
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    That liar? Lol
     
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    You sure you're responding to my post? I don't think I've mentioned Stone in this thread...
     
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    No, the link and snippet I posted - and you quoted - clearly address that.
     
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    Notice How Democrats are Never Indicted?

    Democrats never worry about financial ruin or Mueller going after their families.

    Two Americas.
     
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    Being guilty and being convicted are two different things.
     
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    Did you miss Comey declaring, without proper authority, there would be no prosecutions for the crimes he outlined?

    And I'm all for the trial to convict her and then lock her up.
     
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    I was when you joined in

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    Not when it is a white collar crime, a non-violent crime. One the person has already been cooperating in and has already turned over the evidence they requested. They usually call the attorney and ask that their client to self present and appear the next morning.

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    Espionage, terrorism, sedition and treason are hardly "white collar" crimes. We don't use FISA warrants for wire fraud.

    Me
    When was Stone charged with those offenses? Stone's arrest wasn't on a FISA warrant.
     
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    Not just Republicans. Guilty until proven innocent is a bipartisan mindset that permeates much of the country, DC and elsewhere.
     
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    Ah, I missed that. My bad. I was referring to Page (espionage).
     
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    First of all, why do any politicians lie? Maybe you can ask Barry why he lied through his teeth and told the American people that they could keep their health care plan if they liked it.

    Second, Trump wasn't answering questions under oath so it's pretty much irrelevant.

    Third, he never lied anyway. He said he has "no deals in Russia". Let me define he word "deal" for you: an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit.

    What was that "agreement" he had when he said this? Oh, that's right the only thing that was agreed upon was left wing butt hurt. LOL.

    If there was anything Democrats on these committees would be chomping at the bit publicly about it. Whether you want to accept it or not it was a big nothingburger. The biggest outrage the Dems had was that "blocked number" that was called after all the testimony. That was going to be their new smoking gun. And that....just like all these other left wing conspiracies....flamed out.


    True. Just like any campaign would when they get told someone has dirt on their opponent coming from what they consider may be a reliable source. Same thing Dems did with fusion GPS. Oh wait, they actually PAID for dirt and RECEIVED dirt and used that dirt to start an INVESTIGATION against their political enemies. Seems about equal.

    Of course, but one would have to have a meeting worth anything for this to have significance. Left wing fake news, propaganda, and conspiracy theories aren't it.
     
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    *facepalm* Did you really just compare a run of the mill search warrant requirements with the requirements to spy on Americans through the FISC court?
     
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    There are stark differences between chanting something at a rally and empowering American intel agencies to destroy your political enemies. Wow. And there was FAR more evidence of criminal wrongdoing on Clinton's part than there was on Trump and especially Kavanaugh. The powers of the U.S. government weren't waged to destroy Hillary, however. They were protecting her.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#With_a_court_order

    Alternatively, the government may seek a court order permitting the surveillance using the FISA court. Approval of a FISA application requires the court find probable cause that the target of the surveillance be a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power", and that the places at which surveillance is requested is used or will be used by that foreign power or its agent. In addition, the court must find that the proposed surveillance meet certain "minimization requirements" for information pertaining to U.S. persons.

    Depending on the type of surveillance, approved orders or extensions of orders may be active for 90 days, 120 days, or a year. FISA warrants require renewal depending on the type of surveillance and type of warrant either every 90 days (if targeting a U.S. person) or 120 days (if targeting a non-U.S. person)

     
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    Here's a new teaser of information that will be released tonight or tomorrow. I wonder if any of these FISA judges will finally step up and hold the members of the Obama Administration that signed the FISA Applications in Contempt, and with Conspiracy.

    It is going to be released from Congressional testimony that the FBI, spying on Carter Page and George Papadopolous, had both men state that the Trump campaign was never in touch with the Russians and would have never entertained any direct contact. The FBI / DOJ withheld this exculpatory evidence from the FISA courts which is against the law.

    The more that comes out the worse the Obama Administration looks.
     
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    I think it is now safe to assume that the FSA judges are scofflaw judges.
     
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    “Trump campaign was never in touch with the Russians”

    Lmao is that a joke??!
     
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    Carter page called from Russia to say nobody in the campaign spoke to Russians lmao
     
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