Florida fines businesses for demanding medical information from customers

You know your position here is incredibly ironic.

You are supporting people who want to discriminate against you on a business level because they want to know your own personal business that has nothing at all to do with them.

And then you try to paint me as the authoritarian because all I want is for the government to tell them to leave people the hell alone. And you are the one who is advocating for being in people's business when they have no business being in people's business.

I don't advocate for government to force business to do anything except for the people the hell alone is that so hard to understand?

 

Congratulations, you are the second person to point out that I had a typo oh no a typo...

I however do understand medical privacy it's you people on the left that can't seem to understand it.

Privacy do you understand the definition of that word?

 

You still don’t know what the law says. If you did, you would understand that in no way is forcing people to give their vaccination status a violation of said law.

You would also know it only applies to health plans, health care clearinghouses, and those health care providers that conduct certain health care transactions electronically.


Next time read the handouts they give you at the doctors office.

 

Somehow I think despite your brief summary of it you're no expert on the topic and you've left quite a bit of it out.

Ain't Google a wonderful thing we're all experts now...

 

But but the government has the right to ask you about personal medical information but they don't have the right to ask you about other personal information and discriminate you against you on the basis of that.

Because everything's okay as long as it suits my agenda.

 

I am supporting their right to do so. I do not have to agree with it to support their right to do it.

Yep, you want to use the power of the government to make the business do what you want it to do. That is what makes you the authoritarian

If you do not like what a business is asking you, use a different business. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

That’s what we told the gay guys.

 

This is not about the government asking for anything, this is about a private business doing so. Do try and keep up.

But you are correct, the government has the right to ask you about personal medical information, they do it to roughly 60 million students from pre-k to PHDs every single year. And not one single person on this thread has a problem with that

 

as you should have. But now you are taking the opposite position because of partisanship.

It is impossible to be partisan and consistent in your views and values.

 

No we are taking the opposite tact because those are the rules of the game which have been set forth. If those are the rules of the game then we have every right to play by them as the other side does.

 

Public schools are the government.

If you don't want to talk about government asking for anything then don't bring it up.

 

The thread is not about public schools. do try and keep up.

 

I'm not asking for Government to make them DO ANYTHING....just to NOT invade people's privacy when it's none of their damn business what takes place between you and your Dr. What a piss poor "authoritarian" I would make. YOU are advocating for invasion of privacy.

Ironically, the blatant disregard for privacy is a key hallmark of authoritarianism. Your projection likely is lost on you.

Hopefully enough people don't lick the boot and DO go elsewhere with their business and they can take their privacy invading businesses directly into insolvency.

 

They are not the rules, they are how you choose to play the game. I had this same discussion yesterday with another hyper-partisan person. You are playing the "well, they did it first" game. This is a thing we teach our children not to do, but then some become adults and brag about living that way.

If you think that the baker and the florist have the right to do what they did, then you should support these businesses as well. It is called having internal consistency. Base your views and action on your own morals and standards and do not let those around you dictate them to you.

 

If you look back on it the Democrats most certainly DID use HIV as a political weapon....does the mantra "Reagan and the Republicans want gays to die" ring a bell?

 

Yes, you are asking the government to make them stop what they are doing. No matter how you spin it, you are asking the Government to tell them how to run their business.

A deli or cruise ship asking for proof of vaccination to get a sandwich or get on a boat will never be authoritarianism no matter how many times you spin it

YES....Finally you got something right. This is the way it should be dealt with, let the market place deal with it. A smart competitor would highlight they are not asking for such things and take their business.

 

That’s wonderful and that’s what we tried to do for decades. But the left doesn’t play fair. The left uses every means at their disposal to manipulate the outcome to be beneficial to their side. You cannot allow someone to cheat on a test or in a fight and expect to come out with the same outcomes as he does.

It’s like I try to tell people who are pacifists. You’re living an ideal and that ideal will get you run over. The bully on the playground doesn’t care if you’re a pacifist. He’s going to continue to punch you in the head until you stand up for yourself.

For decades we said (and still do) the courts shouldn’t make policy decisions. But they do. And the left has taken advantage of that for DECADES while we have put people in who don’t believe they should legislate from the bench.

Great we are holding onto our morals while the left is taking over by abusing our morality.

 

At least you are open and honest about it, I have to give you that.

Personally, I would rather be true to me, and not play that game. But that is why I have not sold my soul to a party or a "side".

 

I think you misunderstand me. I know I appear to be party driven for the republicans. I’m not. I’m party driven to fight against the democrats and the liberal socialist commie agenda. The ONLY side I can align myself with to where my position can matter and possibly make an impact is the Republican Party.

That’s a good Segway to answer your last point about morality. I do this not because I’m immoral. I do this because I see we are at war. Not yet to the point of physical violence but a war of ideology for the future of our country.

War necessitates different morality. You can’t go into war with the same mindset and moral imperatives as you have during peace time. Men who would otherwise never kill someone must be willing to kill the opposing soldier in war.

Sometimes good men must sacrifice their moral imperative to ensure that they’re allowed to continue following those ideals after the war is over.

 

1. So you are fine with a place of business denying entry based on what? .....Do you have a limit? Can they shun you for....crooked teeth, red hair, you have body odor, we just dont like you, because we said so, because you are from another state or county or the ghetto, we just don't like your kind around here, because humming birds have tiny wings.....? Where is the limit? How about race, religion, sexuality, nationality ? So you are OK with those limitations IMPOSED on private businesses by Government dictate?

2. Yes it is. What's between me and my Dr is not their damn business.....period. They have zero authority to pry.

 

So don't bring them up.

 

1. I do think that a business should be able to deny entry based on anything they choose. I think that anti-discrimination laws applied to anyone but the government are against the constitution, so no I am not OK with those limitations IMPOSED on private businesses by Government dictate. I think a business doing so is stupid and I would never give them my money, but I do support their right to do so.

2. Then you do not give it to them and move to the next business. Why is this so very complicated for you.

 

I guess this is where we differ the most, you see a difference between the two parties, I do not. Outside of a few social wedge issues (i.e. abortion, how to treat gays) they are basically the same party.

I do not think you need a different morality. Most men that go to war would never murder anyone, but they would have killed someone to defend themselves or their families. Unless they go to war and start doing war crimes they have not changed their morality.

I have never bought in to the notion that you beat the enemy by becoming the enemy.

 

It was relevant to the discussion. None of you have zero issue with schools asking for private medical information, but a ****ing deli do it and it is the end of the world as we know it.

That is a position that makes no sense at all

 

1.So you would be fine with race based denial of services!


2. Because when enough people with your mentality do not object, it will become more ubiquitous throughout society, to the point you will have no expectation of privacy. The foundation of a police state. No right to privacy. You are a cog in that grinding wheel.