FOX anchor! Girls who get FRAT rapes, "What are boys supposed to do?"

Not necessarily - not all women (or even a majority) are sex obsessed. They may just want a good time and meet some nice people.

 

OK the what is your disagreement.

I know you keep throwing in the specious "it's not an invitation to rape".

It IS an invitation for sex though isn't it. It's an attempt to attract men, or sometimes other women. And if you put yourself into a defenseless position, as in getting out of control drunk, after issuing an invitation you are putting your self at risk for someone to take advantage of that defenseless no matter how wrong that may be.

So what is wrong with teaching young women they should be careful not to put themselves at such risk? That is the argument being made it seems.

 

No it is not an invitation to sex and it is THAT thinking that has many young men on rape charges

 

Well when you dress sexy and get up and dance sexy and act sexy............seems to me it might not be an obsession but it sure has some sex involved. And you said not all which means some and those are the ones we are talking about.

So yes or no, some women dress and dance and act sexy as an invitation to a men to have sex with her. She hopes to attract a man to make his move on her, some dancing, some drinking, let's go back to my apartment.

 

So you are saying some women do not go out to nightclubs or parties dressed to look sexy and attractive and flirting and acting sexy hoping to attract a man or another woman for sexual reasons. I sure have known a lot of women who did so and it worked on me.

I think that would be an absurd belief to hold.

 

I have the feeling I'm just not up with the times. Well, if this is the times, I don't want any part of it.

And thanks for your comment.

 

You want to talk about conflating? You are comparing the KKK walking into a black neighborhood to a girl going to a frat party?

I’m really not sure I would compare a frat party to a thug on the streets committing robbery. Certainly you don’t put yourself in dangerous situations. I don’t think we should see a frat party as a dangerous situation; as a place where rape and sexual assault are bound to happen if you get stupid enough to pass out. I also think getting “sheeze face drunk” is a bad idea on a bunch of different levels. But it should never open you up to assault in place where you should be able to interpret it as a safe place to have a good time.

 

Absolutely! That’s not the same thing. If a girl says “let’s have sex”, that’s not the same thing and passing out and that being an invite to have sex, or even getting so drunk she has no control over her faculties to give consent.

Sex is a consensual thing. Am I really telling you something you don’t know here? It has to be emphatically communicated. It cannot be suggested and that suggestion be interpreted as yes.

 

I'm talking about putting yourself at a risk.

When did it get limited to a frat party? The location has little to do with although yes have seen that sexual assaults happen at college drinking parties.

 

I agree totally but the point being YES a girl doing her best to look sexy, and dance sexy, and act sexy is often INVITING someone to have sex with her, someone of her choosing but INVITING non-the-less.


And when you do that while drinking the risk meter starts to go up, and the more you drink and the more you entice the more that risk goes up and if you get so out of control some ******** jerk of a man takes advantage of that.............well everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves that something like that doesn't happen to them that goes for a gay guy going to a gay party or gay nightclub don't you think?

 

When did it get expanded to back allies of our inner cities? Did you forget what the thread was about?

 

The only way I will agree with you on this is when everyone is drinking and certain acts, under the influence of alcohol, might get misunderstood. But that will never excuse rape. I mean let’s add another element to this… Girl passes out, guy rapes her. She gets pregnant. To what extent do you expect her to take responsibility for her actions?

“Oh, it’s okay; I got drunk and I guess I had it coming to me”.

Really?

 

Ummmm dancing does not mean you want to (*)(*)(*)(*). Geez.

 

Define "dress sexy" because once upon a time that meant showing some ankle

The standard of dress has shifted over the years and what was once shocking is now acceptable, Dress codes also change geographically, Now there is little more revealing than a tiny Bikini but wearing one is not an invitation to rape or even sex

I am also betting that it is less the clothes than the shape of the woman wearing them because I would take money on the fact that this girl would be classed as "dressing sexy"



Whereas this girl would not even though she is wearing less clothing

 

Well gollygeewhiz. If she hadnt been dancing then she wouldnt get preggers.

 

Depends on how you're dancing and to whom...................Geez. Are you denying that women do as I have said, are you really going to deny it? Are you REALLY going to claim that no women ever try to look and act and yes dance sexy in an attempt to invite a man to have sex with them, this should be good.

 

Nobody is saying that there is an excuse for forcible sex. Why do liberals keep saying that? The point is, you can do things that increase your chance of being hurt. That doesn't excuse the ones doing the hurting, but common sense tells you to be careful.

ALso, your smoking/overweight examples would be like throwing a burkah over somebody against their will, not a valid comparison to forcible crime.

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Yes, in an ideal world, with good people in it, that could happen. You should know that isn't possible in reality. In reality not everybody is good, and the world is far from ideal. I hope you don't teach your daughter that...... i will teach my sons that a woman should be able to walk down the street naked and not be raped, and if they are around such a situation, they should try to protect her.

 

Excellent post, but it's like shouting in the wind w/these liberals..

It's never been about 'but he had no right!".... we all know the rapist had no right, liberals - it's simply about teaching your girls to not put themselves at risk so they can be raped.

I find it astounding that the women here, some mothers, can't see the risk factor when girls/women show more skin than necessary, their 'look at me' behavior and bad choices to get to drunk around guys, some they don't even know..... and all the libs can say is 'he had no right raping her!"..... well, duh! No he sure didn't, but he did it anyway...

Then we read the silly 'a woman should be able to walk down the street stark naked and not be raped"..... well, wouldn't it nice if a woman could do that and there would be no such thing as a sexual predator after her? Gawd, talk about living in LaLa land.....

My own experience about having been stalked and the home invasion when I was 19 probably had something to do w/my determination in educating my girls about being cautious and aware of their surroundings, but I know even if that hadn't happened to me I would have still had rules about how they dressed and acted....

To me, it's simple..... if you love your kids enuf, you can see where they're making mistakes that's putting them at risk that they can't see b/c of their youth and they need mom and/or dad to correct them and help them to understand they are responsible for their own behavior and choices.....

 

I believe sexual equality should involve women insisting on fornicating us into relationships so we won't have to play silly games for sex.

 

But what is risk???

Who is more at risk - this woman



Or this one?



And yet which one is indulging in behaviours inviting sexual response?

 

I believe women should be able to walk around nude and not fear violence.

 

Does a poverty of sex cause men to become more loyal animals of the Animal Kingdom instead of more loyal "children of a god"?

 

If you can't figure out how females of all ages can, unknowingly, put themselves in danger, then I hope to God you don't have any kids....

You have made this serious issue a silly joke, refusing to acknowledge that it's a sick, dangerous world out there where naive, gullible women are preyed upon...... and sometimes the men.

I remember when my 16 yr old son got his drivers license and one day when I drove onto the freeway, there stood a young hitchhiker dressed in black fishnet stockings, skirt up to her crotch, more boobs were exposed than covered, thumbing a ride... and I tho't of my son. That eve I talked to him about what I saw and bluntly told him to be smart - don't EVER pick up a hitchhiker, despite how cute and sexy she may be b/c you don't know what you may be getting yourself into, then I explained more about some females will scream 'rape!'.....

Yes, along w/daughters, even sons need to be educated about how to avoid dangerous situations that can happen to them if they don't use their common sense and recognize trouble when they see it.......

Anyway, some parents talk to their kids about the reality of life and some let their kids do whatever the kids want b/c 'it's the fun thing to do'.... w/o any tho't of the consequences for making an impulsive, bad choice....

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In LaLa Land, they certainly can.....

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In LaLa Land, they certainly can.....

 

Are you claiming morals only exist in LaLa Land? In my opinion, all that may be required are social morals for free.

 

What I am claiming is that altho there certainly are very kind and moral people out there, there are also very evil, immoral people and you don't know which is which until often it's to late......