FOX anchor! Girls who get FRAT rapes, "What are boys supposed to do?"

Sheeeit, who doesn't? But I guess it depends on your definition of 'assaulted'.

Women with even a tiny bit of self-respect KNOW better than to show up at a drunken frat party.

 

It's not asking but it is sure setting yourself up for it isn't it.

 

This is what's wrong with America, right here. Yes, how dare this girl get drunk at a party. She should take responsibility for someone else's actions against her.

 

You have to define what consensual actually means.

If a woman is passed out drunk and you had sex with her, is that consensual?

Or let's put it to you. If you were plastered and you signed your name on a piece of paper declaring all of your assets to another person, was that consensual?

Want to anser the questions?>

 

I would say you are pretty much lying about that.

For starters, I have been to a few frat parties when I was in college. Some fraternities do have that reputation. Some don't although it is not unexpected if it did happen. However, at one fraternity party, a pledge did that to his girlfriend who was a Tri Delt. That pledge got kicked out of the fraternity and banned from all Greek events. The girl liked him, but did not want to leep with him or any other guy until she felt it was right. And that feeling was not going to happen for quite a while. Although there were rumors about the incident on campus, and that incident was not the only one, the point is that generally, any type of date rape is generally frowned upon the fraternities. But these fraternities don't exactly go looking for these types of events either.

Fraternity parties are just that, parties. There is no expectation to get laid at these fraternity parties, generally. there are some frat boys who try to do that, but they are few and far between. Whether it is Sigma Nu, Phi Delta Kappa, or any orther fraternity, any party is usually just to have fun and to be with your brother's and sisters. And that is all. Movies like Animal House only extenuate the negative aspects of fraternities aso that people can get a good entertainment that a person paid for.

 

Humanity would still exist, But we would not have the type of social problems we have today though.

 

Passing out drunk would depend on a few factors and whether there is help to get you passed out or not.

The point is that thinking starts way before you have your first drink, but has everything to do with intentions.

 

I take it you never been to a frat party. Usually there are about 40 or 50 girls and about 30 to 40 boys, sometimes smaller if it is a local frat. There are a few guys and girls who go there to get laid, but that is not every girl or guy at the frat party. For the girls, they usually have to be invited and Frats dod not lik women stags or clutches.

Frat parties are usually a combination of a luau, bachelor, and bacherloteet genres. They have underage drinking, illict drugs, porn, etc. But those things are usually within a small sub group of those frat parties. But overall, there is no expectation of doing what happened to her at a frat party. It is usually frowned upon because it will involve the University administration and the local police. Two things the fraternities try to steer clear away from.

If it is found out that that person or persons would no longer be welcomed at the frat party.

 

Yeah there is. There is that expectation on the part of the frat boys themselves if not ALL of the girls. You got no supervision, horny 19-year olds, leggy blondes with dimpled knees, private rooms, buckets of vodka, and condom dispensers. Knowing all that, who isn't expecting to get laid at a frat party? That's like going to church and not expecting to hear a psalm.

 

Sorry, but hormones have been with us for thousands of years. They are going to be tough to legislate out of existence. You don't want to get run over by a car? Don't step out into the pits at Talladega, eh?

 

Unless you are suggesting people had drinks forced down there throats.....

 

why are you bringing up useless analogies like, "is it consensual if she is passed out" ? I specifically said the woman was awake and made the move.

and using your assets analogy, if i was drunk and signed away my assets, you're telling me that in all cases i will get my stuff back just because i claim i was drunk ?

 

No, try "spiking the drinks" as a way to get a person drunk and passed out faster than a traditional brew would do.

 

It goes to the definition of what consensual actually means. And in both cases, neither was consensual because there was no consent.

 

Can you pull up some kind of stat on how often that happens or is this just another strawman since you have nothing to debate.

 

Then let me ask you this… You go to a frat party, you see a girl dressed in slinky clothing showing lots of cleavage, throwing herself around hugging and kissing guys, flashing, etc… then she passes out. Are you going to drag her into a room and have sex with her? ORRRRRRRRRRRRR.... are you going to be the gentleman and put her in your car and take her home?

People do stupid things all the time. That is not an invite to be taken advantage of. I mean, she didn't specifically ask for sex anymore than she specifically asked to have her wallet stolen just because she got drunk and passed out. Sometimes we have to be the wiser person and protect others, that do stupid things, from harm.

 

It also sets yourself up for having your wallet or car stolen, but does that means it gives you the green light to do so? There is something chronically wrong with believing a person's stupid behavior is an invite to be assaulted, and that when a girl is raped under these circumstances that we just turn away and say 'she asked for it'.

 

Strawman, no one is saying it gives someone a green light. But if your male friend gets ripping drunk and walks home down a dangerous street and gets rolled and sodomized and you going to suggest they do the same thing next week or urge them to behave more cautiously?

 

For starters, I'm a straight female, but yes, if I saw an idiot like her, I would put her in my car to save her from herself and hope she learned a lesson, her realizing later that it could have ended up badly for her and have enuf brains to know that there are guys out there who have no interest in helping her, but to take advantage of her....why is that so hard for you to understand?

Please come out of that unicorns, fairies and puppy kisses world you live in and see the raw, stark reality of the real world out there. It ain't pretty.... the world is not full of only benevolent, loving and caring people.

Of course she didn't 'ask' for sex, but a certain type of guy will read her body language as 'asking for it'. That's what that type of guy does best and no, they're not going to go away.......

THAT'S why women, starting in their teen yrs needs to be taught and to understand about their own personal responsibility for their own body and their own choice of attire and their own behavior and the choices they make.... you really think it's to much to expect women to understand how they dress, act and choose to get sloppy drunk around an assortment of males, many they don't even really know, is just to much to expect of them? Are you saying women don't have the IQ to understand the impression, the image they're giving men?

Of course these women don't expect to be raped and they SHOULDN'T be raped, but chivalry died out a very long time ago.......

You better get used to it b/c (*)(*)(*)(*) happens.......

 

I am astounded that some of yall are being so blase about the boys. Yall keep talking about teaching the girls that if they dress a certain way and get drunk enough to pass out then they are more or less deserving it because boys will be boys. That is downright nauseating. How about they teach their sons right from wrong? Is that so hard to understand? Only a depraved creep will see an unconscious girl and think, "oooooh weeee....im gonna get me some of that!" If it was YOUR daughter being sexually assaulted would her clothes come into play? Gack. I hope not.

 

Who's being 'blase' about the guys? I'm not, I'm simply saying there are real bastards out there who will take advantage of drunk women and anyone who denies that isn't living in the real world....

What the hell is wrong w/teaching your daughters what's appropriate attire or not and I'm astounded that you or anyone else doesn't understand that clothing that shows more skin than necessary attracts negative attention and often from the wrong kind of guys....

Of course it would be wonderful if all parents taught their sons right from wrong, but meanwhile since you can't count on that happening, you teach your daughters what they need to know, which includes mature responsibility for their own attire, behavior and choices they make.... I call that part of parenting. Not to mention loving my girls enuf to want them to respected by others and knowing how to keep themselves safe as much as possible........

No, the woman's clothing shouldn't come into play in a rape case, but unfortunately, it does....simply b/c of the 2-legged animals lurking around. Showing disgust at their depraved behavior and saying they have no right doing what they do and why didn't their parents teach them better, etc isn't going to protect the naive, uneducated females........

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I wasnt talking to you but since you insisted on climbing up on your high horse (as usual) ill tell you what i think about your bs. Thats the kind of crappy attitude that makes women not report a rape. And also (as usual) you want to get your little digs in about other peoples parenting....well...toots, you aint perfect....no one is. I dare you to tell another parent whos daughter was raped this: "well hell, xxxx, if only you had taught your daughter to dress in less revealing clothes LIKE I DID then she wouldnt have gotten her skankass raped."

Youre right. You cant fix stupid. That attitude proves it.

 

Also: fyi....I do love my kids ENOUGH to teach them the important things in life. My boys know that you never mistreat anyone NO MATTER HOW THEY DRESS. My girls know you never mistreat anyone NO MATTER HOW THEY DRESS. Why do they know this? Well BECAUSE thats the kind of things that i have LOVINGLY taught them.

Comprende?

 

Since none of us really know each other, you can take most question as rhetorical. But you answered honestly.

I am a male and the world I come I treated women with respect. ‘No’ meant ‘no’. The absence of ‘yes’ meant ‘no’. I went through all the hormonal peaks that any other guy goes through, and still had the wherewithal to respect the girl’s wishes. I’m not saying a girl going to a frat party and getting drunk is a good idea; but it is not an invite to get raped – EVER! If the opposite is the reality of the world in which we live, then we live in a really sad world. I am in this discussion to say that mentality has to change. But because this reality exists, you’re saying girl need to just avoid any chance to get out and socialize. Because it’s such a dangerous world for women, they need to just stay home to avoid putting themselves in compromising situations.

Rape or sexual assault is not #### happens. It’s a crime. I will never get used to the belief that a women should ever take responsibility for being raped.

 

Exactly.

Can you imagine parents telling their daughter as she walks out the door on a Saturday night "Have a good time honey and make sure you get sheeze faced drunk and pass out with all those drunks boys around and if you get raped don't worry when we come to pick you up at the hospital we'll make sure we blame the boys because you certainly did nothing wrong or careless"