Gaza Agreement ; Hamas prepares for unity government.

lol!!!!! the plan to annex even part of Area C won't even come up for a vote in the Knesset.

 

Livni says she will withdraw from the coalition if Netanyahu attempts to annex the West Bank.

 

there is no indication that Netanyahu has any plans to annex any part of the WB soon.

I wish that he would annex all land up to the Seperation Barrier and pull back all Israeli troops & settlers east of the barrier, but that's for the future.

But a completed unity govt. between Hamas & Fatah may bring that future closer.

 

All of the barrier inside the Palestine State is illegal. No exceptions.

 

Which palestinian state? Israel or Jordan? Prior to 1967 the west bank was Jordanian and Gaza was Egyptian. Prior to 1967 the inhabitants of these regions were not called palestinians.

And when will Hamas be disbanded? They are an illegal terrorist group.

 

King Hussein of Jordan said “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.” This is widely known, but is always swept under the rug by 'anti-zionists'.

 

he never said this.

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you never read the Geneva Conventions.

The Occupying Power is allowed to build security infrastructure in Occupied Territory.

 

Yes, it was said in a paris arabic newspaper in 1981:

an-Nahar al-Arabi w'al Dauli (26 December 1981)

http://books.google.com/books?id=Sl...epage&q=december 26 1981 king hussein&f=false

 

that was when Jordan still had a formal claim on the West Bank, which according to the US State Department is "Arab Palestine".

 

Yes, I was responding to your claim that he never said this. Its a historically documented quote.

King al-Husayn asserted again in 1981 that "Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."

http://www.danielpipes.org/298/is-jordan-palestine

And yes it is "Arab Palestine". Israel is jewish palestine. Jordan has always been arab palestine, it was the eastern half of the mandate of palestine given to the arabs.

Even Hafez Assad said there was no such thing as the palestinian people but that they were part of greater syria. Anti-zionists completely sweep these statements under the rug.

 

Even the famous arab historian who brought arab studies to the united states, Professor Philip Hitti (author of History of the Arabs) said there is no such thing as a 'distinct' palestinian people. It was just a region made up of various ethnic groups and was viewed as part of greater syria during ottoman rule.

There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" — Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946.

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Philip+Hitti

 

just as Israelis arent a distinct people. They too are made up of people from all over the world.

 

Exactly. No nationality is distinct. Americans aren't a distinct people, Iraqis aren't a distinct people, etc. Neither are Turks, Chinese, etc. There are ethnicities however like the jews and the arabs. Israel is made up of mostly jews, Jordan is made up of mostly arabs. Anti-zionists claim that Israel used to be palestine but they leave out the fact that Jordan also used to be palestine. Palestine was never a nation, there was never a distinct palestinian people or language. No nation was stolen. Its one of the biggest lies ever created.

However, Israel is the jewish palestinian state and Jordan is the arab palestinian state. Palestine is now a defunct region. Only after 1967 did Arafat and the terrorist PLO create a new ethnic group that never existed. They demand the creation of a third palestinian state. People are led to believe that Israel stole palestine, when its not true. Its an anti-zionist myth. The disputed territories are the result of several wars the surrounding arab nations started, including the palestinian arab state of Jordan which occupied the west bank until 1967 when Israel occupied it.

 

you don't have to be a distinct people to have a state.

 

Of course you don't. If you did, Iraq wouldn't be a state because it was at one time made up of arabs, kurds, jews, turkmen, assyrians, and so on. Iraq is a modern creation.

However as I pointed out there are already two palestinian states, Israel and Jordan. Even arab leaders have admitted this. Everything changed after 67 with Arafat and the PLO, they told lies about Israel and the anti-zionists on here will do anything to cover up the truth about the origins of the conflict, including who is a palestinian and who isn't. The Israelis are just as palestinian as the 'palestinians' who came into being post 67 as a result of the arab wars against Israel. But anti-zionists will never ever admit to this.

We are so conditioned to believe certain things but when we delve deep into the books, the facts contradict all of the propaganda. Historians of the middle east know that there was never a nation called palestine, that there was never a palestinian language, palestinian king, etc. The only people who choose to identify as 'palestinians' are the refugees in the west bank and gaza. Palestine is defunct, it became Israel and Jordan decades ago.

Israel is not the only modern state in the middle east either, nearly all of the states in the middle east and north africa are modern creations, and all of them have many different ethnicities and tribes living in their borders. Israel is not a special case.

The anti-zionist narrative about almost everything is based on lies and/or historical ignorance. Most people who take up the anti-israeli cause don't even know anything about the region.

 

I'm so sick of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and all of their supporters around the world and on this forum spewing the same old regurgitated lies about Israel and talking about the suffering of the 'ash-sha3ab al-filasTini" when there is no such thing. They lie about the holocaust, they lie about Israel and the jewish people and decided to invent a new people, invented after 67 by arafat and his terrorist friends, the 'palestinians'. If they want to turn the refugees they created into a new state, they might as well call it Canaan. The whole narrative of Hamas and Hezbollah is based on a lie.

 

I want to review this again. Yes and no. True, Israel is an immigrant country largely anyway. There Japanese, Sudanese, and Russian immigrants living there, most of whom have no jewish ancestry. However, as has been discussed before, Israel is a jewish state. The main diaspora groups have different religious and cultural customs but have all merged together at fast rate and have adopted Israeli culture, language, and traditions. Genetically speaking, Israeli Jews (excluding some of the russians, cochin indian jews, chinese jews, and ethiopian jews) share more in common with each other than with any other population. Thats why there is a 'jewish look', so in this case Israeli Jews, most of them are a distinct people just like the Assyrian people are distinct despite their own diaspora. Many arabs even say that mizrahi jews 'look jewish' so we are distinct. Moroccan jews look like many Polish Jews which isn't surprising because ashkenazi and sefaradic jews (especially moroccan and syrian jews) cluster the closest together. They are brothers. Iraqi Jews also share very close genetic ties to the sefaradim and ashkenazim, because both groups originally came from not only palestine, but also from Babylonian Jews. Obviously the chinese jews look chinese because they are essentially descended from chinese with minimal hebrew ancestry. I however do have hebrew ancestry, bavlim, as we are called share more in common with the iranian jews than we do with the arabs. We also cluster with caucasians, like the armenians and georgians (even the anti-zionist geneticist showed a strong overlap between ashkenazi jews and the south caucasian populations) which is no surprise.

So the answer is both yes and no. Some Israelis are not distinct, others are. The post 67 palestinians however are arabs. As I have quoted other arab leaders even, they are no different than any other arab group. It doesn't make jews better than the post 67 palestinians in any way, and genetics have nothing to do with land claims in this conflict, but I'm putting that out there. We are a different case, that is the majority of Israeli jews, we share the same genes and in many cases we look the same despite the diaspora.

 

Hamas is the elected government of Palestine. It is only classified as a ' terrorist ' group by neoZionists- themselves acting in contravention of international and humanitarian law- and neoZionism's supporters who, in supporting Israel, are in contravention of their responsibilities to the United Nations Charter.

Palestine is a State of course, and prior to its recognition by the United Nations in November, 2012, it was a territory held in trust by the UN following Great Britain's abrogation of its Mandate responsibilities to the UN.

So your suggestion is clueless. What motivates such erroneous crap ? Are you seeking some sort of angered response ?

 

The International Court of Justice ruled the wall illegal and struck down any Israeli claim that it constituted a ' security ' wall. Its opinion was that the wall must be demolished. You should take this onboard because persistent rejection of facts will render your posts liable to a description of flamebait.

 

Whomsoever said what there is a Palestinian people NOW and Israel must withdraw from its territory. International law isn't ' anti-Zionist '. It has never ruled neoZionism to be illegal, only the actions of neoZionists.
We're working on that though.

 

You share the as genes as the Palestinians. So to say that Israelis are a state, people, culture, identity any more than the Palestinians is nonsense. Think about it, jews are from the middle east so why wouldnt they?

 

Nonsense, theyre are a number of lies etc, but alot less than the zionists. This is demonstrable, shall I go into more detail.

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They sure as hell know more about the law than neoZionists and the backers of neoZionist illegalities.

The unified Palestinian government- it is hoped - will ride attempted Israeli subversion and demonstrate some legal principles to its criminal enemy.

 

Interesting, there was never a palestinian state, and there was never an Israeli an state before they were invented. Moreover the Palestinians are directly linked to all the people of the area and have always been there.

 

It depends. Some palestinians are natives, others aren't. Some are even immigrants from africa. Israelis are palestinians too just like Jordanians. The difference is now they are called Israelis and Jordanians

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