Gaza Agreement ; Hamas prepares for unity government.

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  1. Ovadia

    Ovadia New Member

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    And you think I care why exactly? Anyone that supports Hamas has no credibility.
     
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    We are related to the post 67 palestinians, they are our genetic brothers. Some post 67 palestinians are even descendants of hebrews that converted to islam. So of course they are related to us.

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    Take it up with Hafez's son then.

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    Wrong, Hamas is classified as a terrorist group in America and in Europe as well.
     
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    On the contrary, those that condemn Hamas as ' terrorists ' are the Thieves of Palestine.


    Is that all ? You were writing as if Hamas was listed as a terrorist group by the whole world ! You just meant a small proportion of it.
     
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    Hamas is labeled as a terrorist organization by the civilized world, because they are. They target civilians on buses and carried out massive suicide bombings.Luckily the wall stopped them from entering Israel. Now they are firing rockets, hiding in civilian arab areas and targeting both israeli jews and israeli arabs. They have stated their goal is to force Islam on America and Europe. The only people who don't condemn hamas as terrorists are terrorists.
     
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    The Zionists have murdered thousands upon thousands of Palestinian civilians. Your ' bombs on buses ' canard doesn't even scratch the surface .
    The wall is an illegal barrier which , in any event, is scaled by thousands of Palestinians every week. It's about as effective for ' security ' purposes as a chocolate wallet.

    And remember- no occupation = no resistance to occupation. Zionists, go home. And take Yanqui with you.
     
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    Im sure you dont, but you seem to think we should care what youre sick of. Im just telling you the feeling is mutual, surely you have no problem with that.

    Anyone that supports Israel has no credibility.

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    Interesting but mostly nonsense, most Palestinians are natives. Most Israelis today have grandfatheres who's parents lived in Europe and the wider middle east.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hamas is guilty of military attacks upon Israeli civilians.

    that makes them terrorists.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    they are terrorists due to their terrorist activities.

    everybody knows this.

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    an opinion is not a ruling.
     
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    Creation your last response made no sense. You claim most Israelis are not natives because they may have grandparents from outside Palestine, however If that is the case then most Palestinians are not natives either since the majority of Palestinians are descended from non PalestinianArabs who moved to Palestine.

    As well people today defined as Palestinian can be any Muslim who moves to Palestine to work and stays there more than 2 years, So that means we need to tell the Arab League, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to stop calling such people Palestinians.

    The Palestinians born in Gaza or the West Bank are of course natives no different than people born in Israel are natives to Israel.

    It is precisely comments like that which strip your words of any credibility.

    In regards to your comment that anyone who supports Israel has no credibility, that is yet another statement that makes no sense. All you do is throw out a subjective assumption that since you do not think Israel should exist, anyone who does not agree with you has no credibility. If that is the case why do you respond to Ronstar? A credible person would know not to respond to a non credible person which by the way is another example of your lacking credibility and in fact incredible as well.
     
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    most Israeli Jews were born in Israel. That makes them natives.
     
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    You're too loose with the term. Israel kills Palestinian civilians every week- that's terrorism. Hamas killed some Israeli civilians in the past. You'd have to go back a ways to find an incident. On the other hand, neoZionists murdered Palestinian civilians just last week. Are you beginning to see it in perspective ?
     
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    targeting innocent non-combatants is terrorism.

    shooting people throwing rocks is not terrorism.
     
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    It's not an enforcable ruling but it's still a legal judgment. It states with certainty that - should such a case be brought by a State instead of an agent of that State - the resultant binding ruling would be the same. No wriggle room there. Shyster proof.

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    Let's call them ' synthetic natives ' of a synthetic State.

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    In your head.
     
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    no, according to international law.

    there is no definition of terrorism anywhere, that includes shooting at stone throwers.
     
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    I'm not interested in your support for extra-judicial execution. It has no place in a civilised society.


    The Palestinian unity government will have a great deal of new legislation to discuss- but that will have to wait until after their elections.
    I think that the Palestinians- in the light of their newly-recognised Statehood- should request a United Nations force to prevent Israeli attacks and other subversion intended to disrupt their elections both before and after the voting.
     
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    when people are throwing dangerous rocks, they need to expect that they might get shot.
     
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    Here we go again with the whole europe thing. Do you have any idea how many european jews are Iook indistinguishable from moroccan jews for instance? I have pics of hundreds. Shouldn't be surprising since they evolved from the same place and consistently cluster identically on genetic plots. They are no more european than gypsies/roma. This isn't a european issue at all. Jews are Jews. Essentially genetic cousins to the palestinians although more closely related to northern middle eastern populations like the kurds.
     
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    Fascinating that you claim european jews arent european. I doubt europes current jews would agree with that at all. Moreover its an anti-semitic statement to deny Jews there legitimacy as nationals of wherever they are.

    Jews may well have middle eastern genes and looks, but they dont have the history like most of the natives, as in the palestinians, do. Their ancestors have simply been elsewhere for a long long time.

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    Live rounds do not equal rocks. This logic supposes that if you steal my wallet you need to expect to have your hand cut off. Of course if its found that it wasnt actually you unfortunately you wont get your hand back. The same with rocks and live rounds.
     
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    if you try to rob me, I have the right to shoot you.

    its called "common sense".


    if you are throwing rocks at me, i have the right to shoot you.

    its called "self-defense".
     
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    As Einstein famously said, "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
     
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    Common sense eh? Got a source? Naw lets just play the common sense game;

    Here's some more common sense;

    And if you shoot the wrong person, having committed murder on an innocent, I have the right to murder your entire family.....

    Or if you occupy and settle the land I live on, I have the right to slit yours and your families throat in your bed at right..in fact you should thank me for doing so.
     
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    he also said that "the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior but expecting a different result"

    what does this prove? he was a great Physicist, but a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty Philosopher/Psychologist.
     
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    LOL, on what grounds?
     
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    I disagree. Prejudice is often couched in "common sense". At the end of the day, international law recognises the significance of proportionality when making legal judgement's on matters of reactive state violence upon civilian populations'. Goldstone was clear that the Israeli response to kids throwing stones was totally disproportionate.
     
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    put it this way: if I have a legal right to be where I am, and someone is throwing stones at me, I am gonna blow his head off. :)
     

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