Germany announces support for Assad

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  1. Durandal

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    What did Macron do?
     
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    First, he involve us in a war we don't want to be involved, his government want to "welcome" "french" jihadists who fought in Syria. His wife spend tons of taxpayers money and she has no reasons to have an offical role in the government (440 000 euros per years) (we didn't beheaded a king and his wife to get another, we already had two emperors and two kings between this two).
    He spend tons of money, like 26 000 euros in make up in three month.
    He ask furthermore poor people to make some financial efforts while reducing the taxes for the richest and increasing the salary of mayors and some other elected poltician by fourty perrcent.
    He used the castle of Chambord, Versailles as if it was its own.
     
  3. Durandal

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    Some of those complaints sound very familiar, in particular the bits about public funds being spent by the president and his Mrs., allowing terrorists in, and reducing taxes for the wealthy.

    Has he not reduced taxes for anyone else? What were his campaign promises in that regard?
     
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    And when the Americans lied and told the people in Mosul not to leave and that they had precision bombs, and then bombed and destroyed the whole city killing thousands that was not suffering? It's been almost a year and the bodies still haven't been buried. We did the same thing to Raqqa a few months ago.

    And when we arm and train terrorists to fight the legitimately elected government in Syria, and those terrorists behead Christians and Alawite civilians for not following sharia law, that is not suffering?

    Anyway the Medics in Ghouta said there was no chemical attack. The people were living in the basement of a building and something happened and they died from a lack of oxygen. While they were treating them, the White Helmets that are members of ISIS and Al Queda began screaming it was a chemical attack and the people began panicking and throwing water on everyone. The White Helmets always have their camera men with them for propaganda, and they began taking pictures.

    As for the MSM, they are propaganda networks for the globalists and one world order freaks, so take everything they write with a grain of salt. Notice in CNN how they say alleged chemical attack. They use the word allege and other terms, in order to instill something into people's minds, without being sued for outright lying.

    I stopped reading the MSM when the spin and lies made me sick to my stomach. Now I get my information from the Russian RT, Sputnik, and Fortruss. I also read The Duran, Greekpronews, and the French Voltairenet, as well as intellectual sites such as Moon of Alabama.

    Anyway there are a lot of sites that are trustworthy such as Global Research, Voltairenet, Paul Craig Roberts, Washington's Blog, New Eastern Outlook, and a bunch of others as well.

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    Well....so as not to impose some unnecessary 'act of cruelty' on your Canadian cousins, it might be best just to keep him yourself!
     
  6. Woogs

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    Actually, at this point, I'm more of a mind that there was no gas attack.

    The below makes 2 accounts I've read from western journalists that say basically the same thing. The other account is from Pearson Sharp of OAN tv.

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    www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    So the story of Douma is thus not just a story of gas – or no gas, as the case may be. It’s about thousands of people who did not opt for evacuation from Douma on buses that left last week, alongside the gunmen with whom they had to live like troglodytes for months in order to survive. I walked across this town quite freely yesterday without soldier, policeman or minder to haunt my footsteps, just two Syrian friends, a camera and a notebook. I sometimes had to clamber across 20-foot-high ramparts, up and down almost sheer walls of earth. Happy to see foreigners among them, happier still that the siege is finally over, they are mostly smiling; those whose faces you can see, of course, because a surprising number of Douma’s women wear full-length black hijab.

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    Rubble fills a street in Douma, the site of a suspected chemical weapons attack, near Damascus (AP)
    I first drove into Douma as part of an escorted convoy of journalists. But once a boring general had announced outside a wrecked council house “I have no information” – that most helpful rubbish-dump of Arab officialdom – I just walked away. Several other reporters, mostly Syrian, did the same. Even a group of Russian journalists – all in military attire – drifted off.

    It was a short walk to Dr Rahaibani. From the door of his subterranean clinic – “Point 200”, it is called, in the weird geology of this partly-underground city – is a corridor leading downhill where he showed me his lowly hospital and the few beds where a small girl was crying as nurses treated a cut above her eye.

    “I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened. There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at night – but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived. People began to arrive here suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a “White Helmet”, shouted “Gas!”, and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other. Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”
     
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    Germany use monopoly money and GB is a financial power while Germany Schengen ups Europe to become a factory.

    If economies was the same, VW couldn't afford to build in Eastern Europe.
     
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    Yet your "trustworthy" sources constantly feed you propaganda and lies.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/...-investigation-airstrike-civilian-deaths.html

    BAGHDAD — The American-led military coalition in Iraq said Friday that it was investigating reports that scores of civilians — perhaps as many as 200, residents said — had been killed in recent American airstrikes in Mosul, the northern Iraqi city at the center of an offensive to drive out the Islamic State.

    If confirmed, the series of airstrikes would rank among the highest civilian death tolls in an American air mission since the United States went to war in Iraq in 2003. And the reports of civilian deaths in Mosul came immediately after two recent incidents in Syria, where the coalition is also battling the Islamic State from the air, in which activists and local residents said dozens of civilians had been killed.

    Taken together, the surge of reported civilian deaths raised questions about whether once-strict rules of engagement meant to minimize civilian casualties were being relaxed under the Trump administration, which has vowed to fight the Islamic State more aggressively.

    American military officials insisted on Friday that the rules of engagement had not changed. They acknowledged, however, that American airstrikes in Syria and Iraq had been heavier in an effort to press the Islamic State on multiple fronts.

    Col. John J. Thomas, a spokesman for the United States Central Command, said that the military was seeking to determine whether the explosion in Mosul might have been prompted by an American or coalition airstrike, or was a bomb or booby trap placed by the Islamic State.

    “It’s a complicated question, and we’ve literally had people working nonstop throughout the night to understand it,” Colonel Thomas said in an interview. He said the explosion and the reasons behind it had “gotten attention at the highest level.”

    As to who was responsible, he said, “at the moment, the answer is: We don’t know.”

    Iraqi officers, though, say they know exactly what happened: Maj. Gen. Maan al-Saadi, a commander of the Iraqi special forces, said that the civilian deaths were a result of a coalition airstrike that his men had called in, to take out snipers on the roofs of three houses in a neighborhood called Mosul Jidideh. General Saadi said the special forces were unaware that the houses’ basements were filled with civilians.

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    Meanwhile you tell us that the US is essentially indiscriminately targeting civilians in their homes and that we killed "thousands." You act like ISIS was not even a factor and like mistakes can't happen in war.
     
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    More from 'The Independent' article I cited earlier.

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    www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

    Oddly, after chatting to more than 20 people, I couldn’t find one who showed the slightest interest in Douma’s role in bringing about the Western air attacks. Two actually told me they didn’t know about the connection.

    But it was a strange world I walked into. Two men, Hussam and Nazir Abu Aishe, said they were unaware how many people had been killed in Douma, although the latter admitted he had a cousin “executed by Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] for allegedly being “close to the regime”. They shrugged when I asked about the 43 people said to have died in the infamous Douma attack.

    The White Helmets – the medical first responders already legendary in the West but with some interesting corners to their own story – played a familiar role during the battles. They are partly funded by the Foreign Office and most of the local offices were staffed by Douma men. I found their wrecked offices not far from Dr Rahaibani’s clinic. A gas mask had been left outside a food container with one eye-piece pierced and a pile of dirty military camouflage uniforms lay inside one room. Planted, I asked myself? I doubt it. The place was heaped with capsules, broken medical equipment and files, bedding and mattresses.

    Of course we must hear their side of the story, but it will not happen here: a woman told us that every member of the White Helmets in Douma abandoned their main headquarters and chose to take the government-organised and Russian-protected buses to the rebel province of Idlib with the armed groups when the final truce was agreed.
     
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    Hypoxia. So what, someone arranged some other kind of attack to create genuine symptoms and panic in people, then filmed the aftermath and exploited it to claim a false chemical weapons attack? Or, alternatively, something went wrong naturally, like equipment breaking and leaking something, leading to the same outcome and exploitation?
     
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    Dude, get some rest. You're showing signs of cognitive dissonance overload ... or maybe chlorine gas. :)
     
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    You said that you think there was no chemical weapons attack. Your article states that the video was genuine, and that the victims we see in it were suffering from hypoxia. So, how do we account for it? You can't just declare that it was a chemical weapons attack after all, but claim it was carried out by some other party. We need evidence either way.
     
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    I also support keeping Assad in power. Experience shows that creating power vacuums puts even worse people in charge.
     
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    From the RT article (quoting the German tv report):
    However, a local doctor told the channel: “Saturday, a week ago, we treated people with breathing problems, but chlorine or gas poisoning – no, those are different symptoms.”

    All of these stories published by different outlets corroborate testimony from two men who appeared in the “gas attack” footage spread far and wide by western media and governments. Interviewed by the Russian military, the two men said they were unknowing accomplices in the gas attack ruse. “We were working and did not pay attention to who was filming us,” the first eyewitness said. “They were filming us, and then a man came in and started screaming that this was a chemical attack…People got scared and started spraying each other with water and using inhalers. Doctors told us that there was no chemical poisoning.”
     
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    Merkel, literally a Soviet agent during the USSR, will do anything Putin or the Empire of Radical Islam tells her to do. Of course she supports Putin and Assad.
     
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    Oh get off it. The MSM kept screaming about E. Aleppo and how civilians were being bombed, only so they could sneak out the foreign agents. The civilians said that the buses with stained windows were packed with foreigners. The same goes with the clamor in the MSM about the civilians in Ghouta. It was to get the American, British, French, Saudi and Israeli agents embedded with the terrorists out of there.

    I like the way the New York Times says 200 civilians might have died there, while the unofficial estimate is more like 10 thousand. There are still bodies lying all over. Just take a look at the pictures below.

    Notice how our propaganda networks demonizes Assad, and yet he is allowing the terrorists to leave with their families in order to save the lives of the civilians in the city, even though the terrorists were sending missiles and killing civilians in Damascus - Yet in Mosul, the American coalition didn't open any escape routes for the civilians. It did open though a route to Syria for the terrorists to escape, so they can go there and reek havoc. Frankly I consider what was done to Mosul and Raqqa genocide.

    These pictures reminds me of Germany. A Greek interpreter at Nuremburg said the trials were being held over the bodies of 20 thousand German civilians.

    This is Mosul. Raqqa is just as bad.
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    OK. It's not looking good right now for the western governments or much of the media, based on all of this.

    Sky News, who does live broadcasting on YouTube which I sometimes watch, has this interview with Assad about the incident:
     
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    MSNBC features an interview with Assad also.



    So, at least the media aren't so bad. They're offering different perspectives on this.
     
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    Same interview in both posts, but Assad has a point logically when he speaks about why use these weapons when the SAA is winning but not when losing.

    I know you don't like anything 'Russian', but this story is worth taking a look at IMO. Photos and video of previous faked stories about Syria. Some I was previously familiar with, some not. Anyway, for anyone that wants .....

    *Zero Hedge seems to be the original source*

    https://russia-insider.com/en/take-red-pill-history-syrian-false-flags-exposed/ri23162
     
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