GERMANY COUP PLOT

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  1. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

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    You should answer you own question, we know he was a RW fascist.
     
  2. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    Alright, I will then, since so much of what you (think you) "know" just isn't so.

    We're talking about this guy, correct?

    Pedro Castillo, Leftist Political Outsider, Wins Peru Presidency - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    The guy the commies at the NYT described as a "leftist political outsider" / "a socialist" / "Peru's first left-wing president in more than a generation" just last year, you're trying to tell me he is a "RW fascist" now?

    Face it: you got it wrong trying to blame that one on the right wing. Eat your crow and move on.
     
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  3. Hey Now

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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, he absolutely was not a commie. He was really an independent, with views on different issues, that ran the gamut, from far left, to right wing Evangelical.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Castillo

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    Castillo has been described as a
    far-left,[137][138] socialist,[139] populist,[140] and social conservative.[141][142][143] He said that he is not a communist or a Chavista.[144] Peru's attitude towards LGBT rights has generally been hostile and is still heavily influenced by the Catholic Church, and Castillo said to be more in line with his right-wing opponents on social issues, opposing abortion, LGBT rights,[145] same-sex marriage,[146] euthanasia, sex education,[27] and the gender-equality approach in schools;[147][148][149] this put him at odds with the progressive left that has supported him. The second round of the 2021 Peruvian general election pitted two socially conservative presidential candidates,[28] in a highly polarized election,[150][151][152] with two drastically different economic visions,[28] as well as backgrounds;[26][28] the pro-union Castillo, the first Peruvian president of peasant and rural origins, promoted left-wing values on government spending and foreign policy.[11]

    The Economist wrote that Castillo "combines radical rhetoric with pragmatism", and cited his work with both left-wing and right-wing groups, including Keiko Fujimori's Popular Force, during the 2017 teachers' strike.[59] Le Monde diplomatique wrote that Castillo maintained support prior to being elected because his positions were "rather vague".[7] Castillo later distanced himself from the far-left of the Free Peru party, stating that "the one who is going to govern is me" and there will be "no communism" in Peru under his government.[35][136][153] Kahhat said Castillo limited his relationship with Free Peru and separated himself from the party's leader, adding that "it is important to remember that Castillo is a candidate but not a party member. ... [W]e might even say he is more conservative than the ideals of [Free Peru] would suggest."[36] Anthony Medina Rivas Plata, a political scientist at the Catholic University of Santa María, said that
    "Castillo's rise is not because he is left-wing, but because he comes from below. He has never said he is a Marxist, socialist or communist. What he is, is an evangelical."[154]

    After winning the first round of presidential elections, Castillo presented his ideas in a more moderated manner, maintaining a balance between the leftist ideals of Free Peru and the consensus of Peruvians.[155][156] Following his ascent to the presidency, Free Peru broke from Castillo, who distanced himself from Vladimir Cerrón,[28] believing that he moderated his positions to appease businesses and opposing politicians.[92] On 30 June 2022, Castillo resigned from Free Peru.[157]
    <End>

    There may be more than meets the eye, in this story. The reason that Castillo wanted to dissolve the legislature, was because they were leading to try to impeach him a third time, after already doing so twice, with neither of those leading to a conviction & removal from office. Nevertheless, there have at least been allegations of corruption. So anyone-- including myself-- who jumps to conclusions here, without doing a lot more research, is judging prematurely.

    In answer to your question, however, he was definitely not "a commie." For the political landscape of Peru, his varied views might be generalized as socially conservative, and fiscally liberal.
     
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  5. HurricaneDitka

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    Not only did they "leave that out", you're not going to believe this, since they're such a trusted and reliable news source, those silly New York Times journalists actually had the gall to claim Peru's ex-president was "a socialist" and a "left-wing president". Can you believe that? Gee, this must be like, the first time EVER, that they got something wrong, right?

    Uh-oh, wait a minute, it looks like the Washington Post got it wrong too. They thought he was a commie this whole time too:

    source: Pedro Castillo: From rural schoolteacher to Peru’s presidency - The Washington Post

    Oh crap, not MSNBC and CNN too:

    source: The leftist wave in Latin America politics isn't that revolutionary at all (msnbc.com)

    source: Peru presidential election: 2021 results just too close to call | CNN

    Gee, this is just getting awkward now. You really think all those lefty rags have mislabeled Castillo as one of their own when he was secretly a fascist the whole time?
     
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    WaPo: "Castillo’s Marxist-Leninist party"
    Some rando on the 'net: "No, he absolutely was not a commie"

    Gee, I just can't decide which one to believe.

    ETA: Wikipedia says "Free Peru, officially the Free Peru National Political Party (Spanish: Partido Político Nacional Perú Libre), is a Marxist political party in Peru."

    Free Peru - Wikipedia
     
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  7. Hey Now

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    And in relation to the OP, the RW are the fascists historically. Bottom line, the far RW and fascism are indelibly linked no matter how hard it maybe for you to accept. Just look at the OP for example.
     
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    @Hey Now and @DEFinning , we've now seen that the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, and CNN all described Castillo as a leftist. You two, absurdly, seem to still want to dispute this fact. I'd invite you to submit your evidence here for our dear readers to review. Can you find any major news publication that labeled him a "RW fascist"?
     
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    I am not calling him Fascist, at this point. But you are using old, out of date, references. Castillo had, after his election, broken ties with the "Free Peru" Party. Please see my just posted, much more comprehensive appraisal (post #57) than those labelings, from the time of his election, upon which you are relying.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/germany-coup-plot.606232/page-3#post-1073896304

     
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    Have you read the OP? Try reading it.
     
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    Well I thought Q was shut down years ago. So you are telling me that Q is active and involved in a German coup plot? Doesn't that seem rather far fetched to you? Maybe it's not impossible but it sure seems unlikely. How is Q involved? Why? It doesn't make sense.
     
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    Well that's good, because that would be absurd, even though that's exactly what @Hey Now has claimed (without any evidence, and in contradiction to the facts):

    (must have been a royal 'we', eh?)

     
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    Nope a leftist.
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I haven't been following it, but there are new posts on the feed archive I've used in the past, so Q is back:
    Q (qanon.pub)
     
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    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    What does the OP have to do with you desperately (and futilely) trying to memory-hole the fact that Castillo, Peru's now-ex president, is a leftist?
     
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    This looks like a lot of gibberish. How could this have anything to do with a coup plot?
     
  17. Hey Now

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    Having issues dealing with the OP is definitely understandable but that's the thread topic, afraid to address it? RW fascism and Q lead to insurrections......?
     
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    There is nothing " hilarious" about an armed, attempted coup, even if it is destined to fail. People can, and probably would, still get hurt and possibly killed. And those affiliated with this group, which counts 21,000 Germans, amongst its members, have been involved in many other crimes, as well as just promoting general unrest.

    I will take this opportunity to amend something I'd earlier wondered, asking would this be a portent of our own course, in the U.S. It could also be seen that we, here, have been the leading country, as far as anti-government uprisings, but that Germany has (in appearance, at least) learned from our own mistakes, and so intervened before they had their own January 6th type event. That said, the German group's planning, seems to have far exceeded the mostly spontaneous actions of the majority of our own January 6th rioters.
     
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    It wasn't us that brought Peru into this thread. That was @DEFinning and then you lied by saying Castillo was a "RW fascist". I'm just setting the facts straight for folks.
     
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    People are highly suggestible. Especially the ones who are Q followers.
     
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    Yet you are desperate to avoid the actual OP, the far RW are clearly the fascists and Q nutz. Deal with the OP.
     
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    First I'm dealing with the disinformation you're trying to spread. You claimed, without any evidence to support your position, and in contradiction to the consensus view of his politics, that Castillo was a "RW fascist". Why did you do that?
     
  23. Lil Mike

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    The mysteries of "Q" may be beyond my kin. I looked at your link and it was just gibberish to me. I don't know how someone looked at it and thought "replace the parliament with a Prince."
     
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    Straw man grasp and fail. You can't deal with the OP, it's too spot on isn't it? The Far RW are historically the fascists. Denial ain't gonna rewrite history and neither will you. Try the OP on for size.
     
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    I think that you're right that this was a pro-Monarchy movement. Can you imagine how lost someone must be in the mind to throw out a representative government for a monarchy?

    But forced political correctness over the years has built up a sentiment that the German government is a sham, controlled by outsiders.
     
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