Germany military leader in Europe!

"Germany military leader in Europe!"

Hummmmm.... Seems a familier topic.... Like a Blitzkrieg from the past....

 

No comments at this time but you might find this interesting.

WAR DEPARTMENT TECHNICAL MANUAL
TM-E 30-451



HANDBOOK ON GERMAN MILITARY FORCES
WAR DEPARTMENT • 15 MARCH 1945





RESTRICTED. DISSEMINATION OF RESTRICTED MATTER.--The information contained in restricted documents and the essential characteristics of restricted material may be given to any person known to be in the service of the United States and to persons of undoubted loyalty and discretion who are cooperating in Government work, but will not be communicated to the public or to the press except by authorized military public relations agencies. (See also par. 23b, AR 380-5, 15 Mar 1944.)

-> http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Germany/HB/index.html


The Waffen SS is covered under
III. OTHER MILITARY AND AUXILIARY ORGANIZATIONS
Section I. SS and Police

 

I have no doubt that you refer to documents. I affirm that these documents are a banal propaganda. If you look at real battles, you will understand that these documents do not make sense.
I already wrote to you about the incompetent Overlord operation. You can also read about the Battle of Arden.
By the way, you should not stop only the combat operations of the Second World War. Look at the war in Vietnam, Somalia ... and others. And compare these battles for example with the battle near Moscow, Stalingrad, the Battle of the Kursk Bulge, the Battle of Koenigsberg, Krakow, Prague .... and many others. Berlin operation of the Red Army in the end.
Read the memoirs of German generals and soldiers. Read Goebbels' diary.Read the memoirs of soldiers of the army of Napoleon, Frederick. Find out who Generalisimus Suvorov or Admiral Ushakov is.
It is not necessary to study the history of military battles on Hollywood movies and Western media.

Maybe you do not know about "Operation Cottage". But I will tell you. This is the classic battle of the American army.

Operation "Cottage" on the liberation of the Japanese Kyski, one of the Aleutian Islands, in August 1943.
This island the Japanese held for a year by small forces. All this year, United States aircraft bombed both islands: Kysk and Attou. In addition, the region was constantly naval forces of both sides, including submarines. It was a confrontation in the air and on the water.

Fearing Japanese attacks on Alaska, the United States sent five cruisers, eleven destroyers, a flotilla of small warships and 169 aircraft to the Aleutian Islands, and six submarines were also stationed there. Air attacks by Americans occurred almost daily. By the end of the summer of 1942, the Japanese on the island of Kysk began to experience food problems, it was becoming increasingly difficult to supply the islands. It was decided to evacuate the Japanese forces.

Before that, in May 1943, for three weeks, bloody battles took place for the island of Attou. The Japanese in the mountains were so stubborn that the Americans were forced to request reinforcements. Left without ammunition, the Japanese entered desperate hand-to-hand fights and acted with knives and bayonets. The fighting turned into massacres, "writes the American researcher Theodore Roscoe.

The Americans did not expect that the Japanese would give such a rebuff. The US threw reinforcements on Atta with fresh force - 12,000 people. By the end of May the battle was over, the Japanese garrison of the island - about two and a half thousand people - was virtually destroyed. But Americans also suffered significant losses - more than 2 thousand frostbitten, 1,100 wounded and 550 killed. The Japanese showed a real samurai spirit and fought with cold weapons when all ammunition was exhausted. And when it was the turn to free the American islands of Kysk, the US command knew what it might face.

In the area of the island, the maximum possible forces were concentrated: about a hundred ships with 29,000 American and five thousand Canadian paratroopers. Garrison Kyski numbered about five and a half thousand Japanese. To carry out the evacuation of their forces and equipment from the island, the Japanese skillfully used weather conditions. Under the "cover" of the fog, the Japanese managed to slip out of the trap threatening to just close, and even to mine the coast and the sea. The operation to evacuate the Kyski garrison was carried out perfectly and entered the textbooks of military affairs.

Two cruisers and a dozen destroyers of the Japanese fleet were swiftly transferred to the island of Kyska, entered the harbor, within 45 minutes they took on board more than five thousand people. Their withdrawal was covered by 15 submarines. The evacuation of the island for the Americans went unnoticed. During the two weeks between the evacuation of the Japanese and the landing of the American landing, the US command continued to build up the grouping on the Aleuts and bomb an empty island.

Then, in accordance with the classical theory of seizures, American and Canadian forces landed immediately at two points on the western coast of Kyski. On this day, US warships shelled the island eight times.

Americans spent two days "fighting" on the island, shooting from fear in the neighbors, taking them for the Japanese. And, still not believing themselves, for eight days, American soldiers combed the island, rummaging through every cave and turning every stone, searching for the "hiding" cunning Japanese soldiers. Then they calculated the losses when they seized their island. Were more than 300 people killed and wounded.

31 American soldiers were killed because of the so-called "friendly fire", sincerely believing that the Japanese shoot, and fifty more in the same way received gunshot wounds. About 130 soldiers were disabled due to frostbite of the legs and "trench foot" - fungal foot damage, which contributed to the constant humidity and cold. In addition, an American destroyer "Abner Reed" exploded on a Japanese mine, on board of which 47 people were killed and more than 70 were injured.

"In order to dislodge them (the Japanese) from there, we eventually used troops of more than 100,000 and a large amount of material and tonnage," admits Sherman. The balance of forces is unprecedented in the whole history of world wars.
I wonder what awards the US command received for the operation to" successfully "liberate the island of Kysku? ...Because had big rewards for the operation Overlord.

And for comparison, you can read about the liberation of the Kuril Islands from the Japanese.
Aspect ratio.
The Russians. The sea landing - three thousand people. All.
Japanese. Twenty-five thousand soldiers and a hundred tanks.

Besides. To the defense of the Kurils, the Japanese were preparing for years. A system of fortifications was created, allowing to withstand many days of shelling from the main calibers of battleships, as well as bombings. Fortifications in the rocks, with a thickness of soil from 4 to 50 (!) Meters.

A lot of carefully concealed and targeted guns of all calibers. Hundreds of shelters for infantry and supplies, warehouses, dispersed so that, in any case, most of them remained whole. On the effectiveness of the system said that the Americans From the air bombed one of the island for two years (!) , while not causing the Japanese forces no harm.

I will repeat it once more. THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE. Against the TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND AND HUNDRED OF TANKS, settled in well-prepared positions and armed to the teeth.

During the day, the islands were liberated.

I would pay dearly to see the face of Commander Kobayashi, who was informed that he surrendered to the enemy, who was less him 8 times

 

Putin is not Russia. He is a president of Russia. Beside that in international politics is only one constant thing...







The Presidents of USA come and go. But one thing is eternal

 

Couldn't care less. Just as long as the US is less involved with Europe. They don't want us there anyway

 

Yes, nice to see they helped us then and they might help us again now.

 

Yes, we want you out. Thats a natural thing, isnt it? The state i live in (Thüringen) even banned the US Army to open an installation here.

 

We're TRYING to leave. But every time we try, Europe makes an excuse to keep us there.

 

Wouldn't they have to fight with the same high moral conduct? I have read about Leon Degrelle's "Wallonians" in his book,

Campaign in Russia

https://ia802505.us.archive.org/26/...Degrelle/Campaign-in-Russia-Leon-Degrelle.pdf
I highly recommend it!

The Germans were always outnumbered, fighting on two or three fronts. Often moving SS divisions from one front to the other, depending on how desperate the Wehrmacht tried to hold the front. Then the SS guys had to go and save them. Towards the end they rushed remnant SS divisions from East to West and back again.

 

I don't believe you, unless you provide some decent proof. Never have I heard the US wishes to leave Rammstein, in the contrary, they keep adding to it.

 

"Banal propaganda" ???

Propaganda is useless if it's not released to the public.

I guess you missed this part.

Operation Overlord was the largest amphibious operation ever to take place in history. Only one military has ever mastered conducting amphibious assault...The U.S. Marine Corps.

The U.S. Marines ship detachments on all of the American U.S. Navy battle ships and cruisers that were off shore were on deck ready to go to shore during the Normandy landings but Gen. Eisenhower issues a stand down order. Has to do with inter-service rivalry and the battle at the Battle of Belleau Wood during WW l.

The Arden...**** I have five uncles who were there and all five were wounded in action not surprisingly by German machine gun fire.

Vietnam...been there and done that. I was a NGF spotter during the last two amphibious assaults conducted during the Vietnam War...Operation Bold Pursuit and Operation Defiant Stand. What do you want to know ?

Propaganda ???
Like Soviet propaganda ???

Current Intelligence Staff Study
The Soviet History of World War II
(Reference Title: Caesar X-59)

Office of Current Intelligence
Central Intelligence Agency
OCI No. 5321/59

SINO-SOVIET BLOC AREA
OFFICE OF CURRENT INTELLIGENCE
Reference Title: CAESAR X-59

CURRENT INTELLIGENCE STAFF STUDY

The Soviet History of World War II

This is a working paper, the second to be published by the Sino-Soviet Studies Group, a merger of the CAESAR, POLO and ESAU projects. The group would welcome either written or oral comment on this paper, addressed to Matthew Gallagher, who wrote the paper, or to W.P. Southard, the acting coordinator of the group.

The Soviet History of World War II
This paper seeks to answer questions posed by the recent increased attention to the history of the war in the Soviet Union. Why is the regime now encouraging historical writing on the war? What interpretations are being promoted? What are the political and military implications?

This is essentially a fact-finding study. Despite the importance of the war in Soviet history, and the politically sensitive nature of this topic in the Soviet Union, Soviet writing on the war has not been systematically examined in the West, and in general it has not been of such immediate political significance as to attract the continuing attention of intelligence. This gap defines the scope of the present study.

The paper identifies the issues which postwar propaganda created in this field and traces the evolution of Soviet views on these issues from the immediate postwar period to the present.

--1--

SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
Until recent years, the Soviet leadership was consistent in regarding the history of the war as an instrument for influencing social attitudes rather than as a subject deserving truthful evaluation in its own right. Before and after Stalin, the Soviet official interpretation of the war reflected the current policies of the regime.

The Stalinist interpretation of the war was devised to conceal the traces of the wartime drift of the Soviet Union from its historical course of development, and to convince the Soviet people that nothing had intervened which would justify a change in past policies. Thus the history of the war became a paean to Stalin's political and military genius, a testament to the wisdom of party policies, an indictment of the perfidy of the capitalist world, a proof of the soundness of the Soviet system. The Stalinist version of the War distorted the historical facts in at least four major respects:

It presented the catastrophic defeats of the first year of the war as a preplanned and skillfully executed maneuver designed to set the conditions for a successful counteroffensive.

It magnified the roles of Stalin and the party in the achievement of victory, and diminished the roles of the military leaders and the ordinary people.

It depreciated the contributions of the Allies, and sought to transform their image in the public mind from partners in the anti-Hitler coalition into crypto-enemies of the Soviet Union and virtual allies of Hitler.

It claimed that the Soviet declaration of war and the defeat of the Kwantung army, rather than American military successes, had played the decisive role in bringing about the defeat of Japan.

Varying degrees of resistance to the imposition of this version of the war were manifested by those elements of the Soviet population most directly affected by it--the military, the historians, and the writers. Military officers indicated disdain for the concepts developed to idealize the military events of the war. Historians demonstrated inertial resistance to the postwar propaganda assault on the West and its attendant distortions of the Allied role in the war, and before succumbing to official pressure indicated their distaste for the political considerations which motivated it...

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/USSR/CIA_USSRinWWII.html

 

A Franco-German leadership in an European alliance against the Russians can be good for the Americans and British.

 

While FDR and his Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was building hiking trails and fire breaks in the mountains and bridges to no where during the 1930's, Hitler was building the autobahn so he could quickly move his troops back and forth during war.

 

Germans wants US military bases out until they plan to leave. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ops-bid-auf-wiedersehen-idUSTRE80Q1A620120127

 

Only if the British watch their backs.

 

The Brits should do that anyway.

 

An article from 2012 about a town in Bavaria with a population of 6,700 is not really representative.
Talking about "the Germans" when in reality it's about the town Grafenwöhr doesn't make too much sense.

 

I wont let you off that easy.

Show me a scource where USA announced to leave the rented bases in Germany and an attempt of our government to stop that.

In Germany we base evrything on reason and logic. I expect them same here.

 

In addition, SS units were better equipped. Tank platoons had an extra tank, They got many of the Stg-44, etc.

 

But in the end they had to steal horses to pull their tanks, there was no "Sprit" to be had! I know of a situation in Hungary where the Hohenstaufen were chased by the Russians around the lake. The SS unit was trying to escape to the West. In the last minute an American tanker came to their rescue and saved them! One of the German officers had managed to get in touch with his American cousin, who sent them a tanker with gasoline!! They even held a narrow get-away open for them!! It was a dramatic escape from the Russians. Unfortunately, they later ended up on the Rhine Meadows to be starved to death by Eisenhauer.
But the Russians would also have brutally killed them for sure!
My relative survived the death camp, weighing only 43 kg and was sent to France to do slave labour for three years. He finally came home in the fall of 1948. His family hadn't seen him for five years.
My heart goes out to all those brave soldiers... I wish I could still hug them!
A hug also for the American "cousin"!

Read about it here:
http://www.liquisearch.com/9th_ss_panzer_division_hohenstaufen/hungary/operation_frühlingserwachen

 

It's possible there are some Germans who like the business and jobs the Americans brought. Someone has to clean their facilities!!!!

 

Right. Those bases form a large economic source for many German communities and the local businesses have come to depend on them. However they are no longer necessary now that the Cold War is over and should be closed.

 

Do they need to keep them open for operations in the mid east?

 

https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/03/the-good-war-myth-of-world-war-two/

FDR was no angel. He wanted war! Evidence of that is shown in the "Polish Papers", you may have heard of.
These documents clearly establish Roosevelt's crucial role in bringing on the Second World War. They also reveal the forces behind the President which pushed for war.
Read here....
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

 

Russia always threatens the West, and with Poland now going fascist, like Russia, it is best to keep some Americans in Germany.