Germany military leader in Europe!

Yep ... we have only a better armed NYPD as military etc. ... Sure!
Sorry, wake up and see realities, because without us you won't have the M1A2 tank at all for example! But anyway ... if you want to stay in your fairy tale world of US is the best, it is your decision and I accept it. But for sure I do not agree to the nonsense you wrote to disgrace the others like my country.

 

You are taking things too personal. Germany is quite capable of having one of the strongest militaries in the world. Instead, you have chosen to rely on the US for your defense and spent your money on other things.

This is a simple statement of fact. In the article I posted it says the German military can only field about 30% of its armored units. The UK is in even worse shape with its Navy.

 

Good post!

Correct!
There is still a more as close combined Armed forces structure between Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France; Denmark and Germany with common units, commands and so on.

Military strength in active personal without reserve units and National Guards (note: No one has any conscript forces anymore, so professional soldiers only!)

Germany: 178,823
France: ‎227,000
Netherlands: 44,000
Belgium: 38,000
Denmark: 18,000
Luxembourg: 900 (=> They have only 583,000 citizens and country is as double as big as city of San Francisco only!)

So over 400,000 active soldiers working very close together as nearly 1 common Army ... and this is without the rest of European NATO members who will join it!

So USA have about 1 million more active soldiers as these 6 countries and the total number of active soldiers of European NATO members is higher as that of the USA ...1,540,000 Euros and 1,436,000 US!

[/QUOTE]

The problem has more as 1 side...
Correct is that NATO treaty demands that every country has to spend 2% of it's domestic income into his own military. Very few NATO members do this and in case of Germany it is only 1.2%. Personally I have no understanding for this, because there is much need for more money given due to lack or slow modernizations etc.

But I find it again and again very astonishing how many US folk blabbers the same nonsense as this idiot in White House blabbers! Fact is that the US tax payer is not paying the deficit of the Euros as it is told!
Or does anyone seriously believe that in case of my country, the lacking 0.8% are paid by the US?
And if anyone seriously thinks that the US has to pay for it indirectly, because they have higher cost for NATO services because the Euros do not spend enough I get a laugh ... because reversed is the truth! We spend more. because the US does not fulfill their duties and gave them up!
And finally I get a laugh when the US folks try to bash us with their 4.1% spending, because these 4.1% spending include many costs and spending's which have nothing to do with NATO at all like for example these many US bases in Japan. or since when is Japan again member of the NATO please? Or since when have the indirect aids of the US for Egypt that their F-16 and M1A1 fleet keeps running to do with NATO, which are also included in these 4.1%, eh?

Yes, there are other NATO costs too, particularly those common costs for the NATO headquarter in Brussels or the common fleet of AWACS planes manned with officers from all NATO members. Here the US pay about 35% of these costs, followed by Germany paying about 20% and the other members then the rest...
So if we shall pay here more and the US lesser then ... OK! But can we then speak about why the highest NATO General must be always an US 4 star general please? Why then not a European 4 star General when the Euros pay for it?

 

Do you really not know that the Americans are supplying weapons to Syria through the Ramstein military base? .... You surprised me.

 

I know, but so what? The YPG are their allies and so they do not otherwise as you by backing this bastard Assad at least. And what is the end of the story here?
The Russians fight every opposition to Assad heavy and exclude the ISIS to bomb seriously...
The Turks deliver weapons to Al Nusra and FSA and bomb the sh** out of the Kurds and exclude the ISIS to bomb seriously...
The US delivers weapons to the Kurds and exclude the ISIS to bomb seriously...
The Assad regime is buying oil like mad from ISIS and ignores them widely as enemy...

And my country? Delivers weapons (G3 rifles and MG-3 guns and MILAN AT misisles) to the Peshmerga in Norther Iraq + military advisors to teach them + warning to Turkey to bomb there anything in near of them, otherwise we will deliver also Roland Anti Aircraft missiles to shot down Turkish F-16.

Again:

 

Its getting to be a very crazy world where everryone is at war with everyone else

 

Yes, but that was the old German attitudes, not current German attitudes. Prior to WW2, there were very strong militaristic traditions in Germany tracing back across centuries. Those traditions are gone. Pre WW2 attitudes are gone.

A person we know who was stationed in Germany joked that in German basic training they teach German soldiers how to carefully lay down their weapons, hold up their hands, and say "I surrender" in 6 different languages. Only then are they to step out from behind the women and children they are hiding behind.

But it is true that most, including American military personnel, agree that in WW2 Germany troops were superior. However, they largely credit this also to Germany military structure, which gave great autonomy to individual units even down to squad level, while the Allies tended to strictly operate with a top-down command structure.

What is not true, at least on the Eastern front, was claiming that Russians were particularly brutal compared to Germans. Germans were equally "brutal" towards Russians.

 

Half of Ukraine are Russians, so tell them that Russia has imperial ambitions and not the Americans who have no idea what's going on. Uhhh, as for Georgia, I see no Russian troops in Georgia do you? But I see plenty of Americans ones everywhere ...800 bases to be exact.

 

I can't decide if Jeannette is a russian or something else

But she is very pro russian and anti US

 

I think the trend in former Soviet states is to emulate Turkey, and Pakistan. Both straddle the fence for profits. Western allies, particularly the US, handsomely reward disingenuous "partners" around the globe.

 

As far as I know the SS worked with the Gestapo. They used the Haidari estate outside Athens to torture prisoners. One of them was my granduncle who was a colonel in the Greek army. The only reason he survived, was because my grandaunt was able to get the connections to save him.

Eight hundred thousand Greeks starved to death under the occupation... mostly in the cities, so one can't say they were the communist resistance, since they were hiding in the mountains. This was one tenth of the population in Greece at the time... and it was a deliberate genocide. There were racist motives behind it, because everyone that I know who had it well with the Germans and managed to obtain food, were fair and looked German. The food was being sent to Germany while the 'untermenchen' starved.

With the exception of Russia, the Greeks suffered the most in WWII. A lot of it was due to Britain though, because their agents in Greece provoked the Germans so they would get the Greeks to join the resistance. Unfortunately the resistance many joined were the communists, so there was a civil war later on which over shadowed the Nazis and what they did.

When Greece asked Germany for reparations, Berlin said that it couldn't because Germany was not united. After Germany was united, Berlin said it was too late. You figure!

Anyway I'm not against the Germans, although I hate their manipulations of Eastern and Southern Europe. In that I agree with Britain. I'm not joking when I say they should build a wall around themselves and leave the world alone. Frankly I think all nations should do that, especially the US.

 

I'm interested. Do you understand that the US coalition in Syria is illegal? Do you understand that the US coalition in Syria is invaders? That is, aggressors against a sovereign state. Do you understand this?
In fact, what NATO countries do in Syria is the "Munich conspiracy" 2. In 1938, they also said that Czechoslovakia should not have all the territories. And Germany once again becomes a participant in these events. Soon you will again burn books, arrange torchlight processions and shout "Heil Merkel!"
Especially given the fact of your support of the Ukrainian fascists. I mean by the word "your" - the government of Germany and the German media.

 

Just to get the record straight. I'm not against any nation. I believe that ethnicities and cultures are very nice, and everyone should be proud of their uniqueness and what differentiates them from others.

I am against though any nation which wants to change the world into its own image... and that's what the Bolsheviks tried to do, what the Nazis tried to do, what the Ottomans tried to do, as well as what the Americans, Muslims, etc. are trying to do today. So when I say nations should build a world around themselves, and not spread themselves out to the rest of the world, I mean it.

 

Good video.

I wonder how may of the Obamaphiles know that Obama's buddies the Muslim Brotherhood are known as Islamist fascist ?

Hillary's partner Huma Abedine is also associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

I'm starting to see a pattern here with liberal Democrats and progressives.

 

If they call us we'll just let it go to voicemail

 

You self proclaimed Nostradami should get together and make up your mind. Some dumb fools say Europe will be a kingdom of Sharia soon, then it's Russia attacking and Europe will become part of evil communism especially once the US has withdrwan all its troops from the continent, then it's 'Heil Merkel' including the burning of books.
It's hard to imagine anything more stupid than these utterly idiotic predictions made by some people on this board who, for some reason think they have seen and know 'the truth'.
You people need better a hobby.

 

Good. Form a relationship with Putin so the US can get our troops and defense weapons out of europe

 

The Waffen SS was not part of the Wehrtmacht but the militant arm of the Nationalist Socialist Party (NAZI) a political army like the militant arm of the Democrat's party of today, Antifa.

The KKK use to be the militant arm of the Democrat party.

 

No, I disagree. Germany is on its way to becoming the next major state of the Empire of Islam.

If you read the messages of some of the German's posting on this forum, they openly post that they are superior humans, that Germany dominates Europe and essentially the same claims that has lead Germany to put the world at war time and again. The USA occupation of Germany needs to continue as more critical than anywhere else in the world as it is Germany that otherwise would come to post the greatest risk of another world war, a nuclear war, as an Islamic theocratic state with Western technology and a belief that due to their superiority they should rule the world.

The American occupation of German should continue not to protect Germany, but to keep Germany under our thumb.

 

Not sure the Waffen SS were that good since there were so many non German Waffen SS units.

The U.S. Army War College ranks the worlds militaries and you always need something to compare something too to rank something. It's like when "Sports Illustrated" ranks NFL football teams. They are all compared to Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers during the 1960's.

The Army War College uses the British soldier giving it a rating of 5.

The U.S. Army soldier was also rated as a 5 during WW ll. Where as the Wehrmacht soldier was rates as a 5.2

The Russian soldier was rated at a 3.4 if I remember correctly.

Elite units like U.S. Army Rangers, U.S. Marines, British Royal Marines, etc. aren't rated.

The only time the Wehrmacht was defeated on the battlefield was when they were superioritly outnumbered.

 

That's because the USA and USSR had conquered the world in WW2, and the USA then isolated the USSR. The bases are to protect our economic interests.

White American liberals tend to be so naive and fundamentally think like spoiled brats they have NO clue why they have all the USA has. They just believe they are entitled to everything because they want it and but for the myth of "the rich people" stealing everything all their economic dreams would come true.

IN FACT, the USA is wealthy because it was the ultimate kick-ass country, the reason the UK USED to be wealthy ,France USED to be wealthy, Spain USED to be wealthy and for the same reason any other country that became wealthy in the past: Power. Military Power combined then with economic power.

Power to make wealth ours, not theirs. THAT is the history of the human race. Always has been. Always will be. The naive, truly ignorant, denial of this is running this country into the economic dirt. EVERY country that became wealthy did so by MILITARY power that then grew along with the economic power that military power brought.

It doesn't matter in the slightest if any other country LIKES us. What matters is what power do we have in relation to other countries. That is ALL foreign policy is about: power. The strong control the weak. That's how it works.

The reason the USA has "800 bases" is to protect our economic interests - so rather than you having to work in a sweatshop 12 hours a day, 7 days a week hoping to at least not starve to death or freeze in your cardboard box home, instead this country has such great wealth and assurances against invasion so that you can spend you time whining and ranting your naive liberal ideologies on a forum as your sense of worth in the world.

The idiocy of the ideology of nearly all Western white leftwingers is a total lack of any concept of the sources of national wealth. It has nothing to do with being nice and equality to all in the world. Nor have I met or communicated with even ONE white American liberal who even believes their own platitudes and demands. If they did, they would sell everything they have and send 95% of all it sells for, 95% of every dollar they have, and 95% of any income they have to the UN's charity funds.

 

Nonsense as always. Those 'some posting' you're refrerring to comes from one user, in other words: one.
And you're making this a general rule for a country of 82 million? Yeah, right.
Regarding that occupation and Empire of Islam thing: try to get a sense of reality, I know it's hopeless but please try.

 

Can not argue with that

 

It was funny.

For example, the Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Avgans, Libyans, Syrians .... and many others. They put differently estimate to the American soldiers.
In addition, if you look at the Overlord operation, you yourself will understand that the estimates of the US military colleges are a banal propaganda.
Think you about it. Why did Roosevelt and Churchill plead with Stalin to save the American soldiers in the Ardens. Why do Russian soldiers with an estimate of 3-4 points save American and British soldiers with an assessment of 5 or more points?
Why do the soldiers of the Red Army capture Berlin, But fresh forces of American and British soldiers with an assessment of 5 or more balls can not advance without the help of the Red Army?
While the Germans massively surrendered, fearing to face the Red Army. The British and Americans almost never met the resistance of the Germans. All the most battle-worthy forces of the Germans were on the eastern front. But, despite this, it was the Red Army that captured Berlin and ended the war.
Read for example the memoirs of the Germans who survived at Stalingrad. They will tell you what real assessments the Russian soldiers have.

By the way. Soon there will be a new war. And you can see for yourself which the Russian soldiers. And this time you will not be able to hide behind the ocean.

 

BS