I would like to see proof for this statement please, or you could just avoid making direct comments about me and instead focus solely on the content of my posts.
whatever. I don't have to prove anything to you. But your p[erspective is clearly skewed and does not consider that there is something more out there than our simple physical plane. - - - Updated - - - If it was God's will for them to die of a heart attack, we would be unable to interfere and save them.
how do I know my what is right, if you mean understanding of god then as I don't believe in your god I really couldn't careless about understanding him. so please answer the question;
Not so much. God has decided to give us free will and we have to live the consequences of our actions, unfortunately for abortion committing women. - - - Updated - - - Because most is verified by independent historical records taken down by people who have no affiliation with Christianity. Read the book "The Case for Christ" if you wish to be educated on the subject. I am fairly sure you don't want to be.
And so you just proved my point. We have the ability to save people (and non-people) through free will and stop God from taking them and the ability to kill people (and non-people) through free will and send them to God.
You have the ability to try to save people, you do not have the ability to save people if God decides they should die. - - - Updated - - - Anyway, back on topic. The notion that God causes abortions is stupid. An abortion is a homicide committed by one or more people against an unborn child. Natural pregnancy terminations are called miscarriages. Just as natural deaths from heart attacks are not called murders.
So when a woman suffers a miscarriage that is not the will of God causing an abortion (definition: ending a pregnancy before birth) and taking the fetus to be with him sooner rather than later? Astounding! I would really love to know where you are getting your information. Is it from God directly or did you somehow find the words 'abortion' in the Bible somewhere?
Your incorrect definition renders this nonsense unworthy of a direct response. But surely you have heard of the commandment "thou shalt not kill" ??????
And did god tell you this him/her self, or did you interpret it from a book written by man? Interesting .. though pure rubbish, again you make assumptions about what I am educated on .. its funny really how you assume to know what I do and don't know.
Tell me do you follow all 613 of the commandments in the bible? If, as you say, man has the ability to try and save people, the opposite of that would be man has the ability to try and kill, so if god can decide whether someone dies or not and abortion is against his will, why doesn't he stop them, after all god must be deciding its ok for the fetus to die in order for it to happen, or are you saying that man is more powerful than god and can over ride his will?
Thou shalt not kill is pretty vague. We kill animals and other living things all the time. Seems to conflict with the whole thou shalt not kill bit, don't you think?
you will see the error of your ways eventually punkin. - - - Updated - - - It is fairly obviously referring to human beings.
Really? Please do show where it says that, because all I have ever seen it say is, "Thou shalt not kill." Period. That's it. Not, "Thou shalt not kill humans." Also, why is it, thou shalt not kill? Why not thou shalt not murder? Kill means essentially all kinds of killing, even what we believe to be legal and justified, such as self defense. Does it include those types of killings?
Your uneducated context of the passage has rendered you unable to understand it. You should read the bible, not just pop off about something you know nothing about!
another tangent thrown into the wind to distract from your inability to answer simple questions .. sorry little boy you still have a long way to go before they let you wear long trousers and join the adults. Oh and just to let you know a little about my education I studied for 3 years to become an ordained priest before seeing the real truth behind religion, so anytime you want to go head to head on scripture just say so.
Fugazi said, Well you certainly do not understand the law. First of all the Law was given to the Jews...not the Gentiles. Secondly the Jews could never fulfill the law as intended. In order for it to work...you had to fulfill it perfectly...and they did not. I will educate you if you don't mind. First off the Law was never given to the New Testament believer...but an Old Testament believer. Gal 3:19: What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made. Christ is the seed....so the Law ended at His birth. Gal. 3:23-25: But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor (to lead us) to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. " NO MORE (Old Testament) LAW. V. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Everything in the New Testament covenant is by faith, not law. Rom. 6:14-15 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law, but under grace. First off..believers can't save anyone. We are commanded to spread the Good News we can plant a seed...but only Christ can save. The Pope can't save...Billy Graham can't save....people can't save. It is only by the grace that Christ gives that anyone can be saved. God created us in His image. He created everything on earth...He created earth. He created us and gave us the ability to choose. FREE WILL. God did not create robots....he wants those that except Him because they have faith and love Him...not because they are forced. He stepped back and let Free Will reign. God did not force me to get an abortion...I did it on my own. And when someone sins there are consequences. He simply allows man free will. You will decide your own fate. God has made possible so you can do that.
I'll just point you to Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus was a Jew unless you have forgotten that, tell me what laws was he referring to in Matthew 5:17-18 I'd suggest you read the post I was replying to before jumping in .. the post where Whaler17 states "You have the ability to try to save people, you do not have the ability to save people if God decides they should die.", so my question remains, if man does not have the ability to save then it stands to reason man does not have the ability to kill, so why do abortions etc happen. Unless you are saying that man doesn't have the ability to save but does have the ability to kill, wouldn't that make your god a bit of a sadist. You are also straying from the point, your post is concerned about saving peoples souls, not the physical act of saving.
