How did Herman Cain get stage IV cancer?

Well good for you. Feel better? Doesn't change a thing I said or make any of it untrue. Have you ever crapped blood? Would you want to wait 4 weeks to get it check out?

 

Really? Got a link?

 

I'm not wrong. I never said a colonoscoy is not in the colon cancer screening algorithm Please show me the quote where I said that?

 

Cain probably got it from eating too many of his pizzas.

 

The problem with your little tale is you did not present all the facts up front. You just dripped them out whenever they supported your point.

Here's the deal. In the absence of family history or any other complicating factors anal bleeding in a 35 year old should not initially result in a colonoscopy no matter how much the patient (who did not go to medical school0 wants it. The crucial factor that you have to this point not told us is the extent of the bleeding. As I said I have seen people not even get a colonoscopy for anal bleeding. They were taken straight to the ICU. This happened under socialized medicine. You guys are too fixed on scoring political points. You need to understand the science. You also need to understand it doesn't matter what western first world country you are in. If you show up to a doctor's office, clinic, or ER and say you passed a cup full of blood and you feel wozzy. You are going to be admitted no questions asked. To suggest that EVERY patient in Europe that is bleeding a cup of blood an hour waits four weeks for a colonoscopy in Europe is disingenuous. Some patients get no colonoscopy. Some don't get a colonoscopy but they do get an emergent colectomy. And there is all kinds of stuff in between. Your case was an in between case.

I need to introduce you guys to the concept of conservative management. That is a totally different concept from patient abandonment. Your doctor initially put you on a course of conservative management which seems appropriate unless there is something you are not telling us. I am merely going by your words and using my experience. You failed your course of conservative management so he moved to the next step on the algorithm which was a colonoscopy. Let me be clear, for the vast majority of 35 year old people with anal bleeding a colonoscopy is not the most appropriate first step in any country including the USA. It does not mean that if needed you will not get one the next day, in a week, or in a month depending you your clinical condition.

Let me be clear once again, No country including ours can afford to provide a colonoscopy to every worried 35 year old with anal bleeding. This is a fantasy. That is why there is an algorithm and doctors use their judgment. It is also why the doctor always says if this gets worse or doesn't change call us back.

 

Ya think?



What amazes me is this guy is standing up on stage saying, "Deep dish" with his entire colon chopped out of him pooping in a bag grinning from ear to ear and the Republican drones are cheering. That's like cheering for a smoker who is speaking through a trach who is telling your Marlboro lights are the best. Followed by him trashing increasing access to health care. Where are we going as a country?



Am I supposed to be taking any of this seriously?

 

I wonder what he would have done if his oncologist were a muslim? He would have run out the hospital in his hospital gown, I take it.

 

Cancer doesn't show any symptoms sometimes until the very end. All cases are different. You are not only ignorant but have no compassion.

 

Bad Karma, screwed over too many people, or destroyed others lives for his on gain. The great equalizer CANCER, is the best treatment for people who have questionable lifestyles and behavior.

Many suffer the consequences and retribution will be made.

I don't believe in Karma, but I believe in bad mojo causes cancer.
The State of California finds a lot of stuff known to cause cancer. I see the lables on a lot of stuff. Could be true.

 

Before you do your wonderful name calling please highlight for me where in that lengthy detailed passage that I wrote where I said colorectal cancer can't be asymptomatic. Please have some self respect and stop lying about other forum posters. If you have a point to make make it. Just stop lying about me.

You obviously have no idea why we do screening programs. You just made a fool of yourself.

 

I'm sorry, I did not realize that before I pointed out that 60 year old in Canada have to wait four weeks for a screening , I should give my full medical history.

Ah good thing for me that if my doctor had refused, I could have shopped around and found one who would. Can I doctor shop in the UK?

No the critical point here is that you assumed too much and that I did not expect or need a diagnosis from you. I did not even know you were a doctor until you pointed it out. It is also that colon cancer can and does evade screening. The only way to be sure is a colonoscopy. (The bleeding was not massive. Maybe an 8th of a teaspoon with abdominal pain.)

You mean like using one man's experience with stage VI colon cancer to promote your political agenda? Hello pot I'm the kettle

Much like you need to understand economic freedom. If I want it now and can pay for it. I'm getting it now. The problem with single payer is that I either loose that option or it is severely limited.

I agree. But here, it is me and my doctor who make those choices, not an algorithm or board of government officials.

Let me be clear, no person, even my grandmother has a right to demand that I pay for their medical care. If I chose to out of the goodness of my heart than so be it. Otherwise sorry.

Look doc. Do I feel sorry for those less fortunate than me? Sure. Do I donate to charities? Of course (and would more if the Feds let me keep more of my money) But the bottom line is single payer is not for me. Neither is the current system, but it is better than single payer.

 

Your making it out like its hard to get a colonoscopy.

 

It is for the millions who are uninsured.

 

For 50 million uninsured Americans it's not hard; it's impossible.

 

Well then we need to work on getting them insured, not taking my insurance away.

 

we have medicare, medicaid, charity care, state run programs....

who exactly are these millions?

 

so raise the limit on medicaid....we don't need to reform the entire system

 

What makes you think that if he had a colonoscopy in his late 50's (some of us put it off longer than desired) that he didn't already have advanced cancer by that time??? Do you think only older people get colon cancer??? You only have screening every 2-3 years if there is a problem, If no polyps are found they could recommend 10 years before another is done.

 

They hate the blacks, it is so sad!!!

 

I see you're so scared of a conservative black man telling the rest of the black community the truth that you have to attack him worse than Sarah Palin. You people are so predictable that it's like a beacon of hate spouting from your foreheads.

 

Racist bigots!!!!

 

My mother received a Stage IV colon cancer diagnosis. It's not as uncommon as you think. She was on Medicare and had an excellent supplemental insurance policy. She simply mistook the symptoms for something else.

What Cain was talking about was that once did go in-- he didn't have to wait for some govt bureaucrat to make decisions about needed tests.

 

It's not just men, it's women too.

Colon cancer is sneaky b/c people usually don't pay any attention to the beginning symptoms, which is excessive gasiness and bloating, but as time goes on, there's more symptoms that a person should be paying attention to - blood in the stools certainly is one, but then sometimes the naked eye can't see the blood and that's why it's important to see the dr.....

Fatigue is one absolute symptom that people should see as a red flag that something is wrong. When a loved one is starting to lose steam, very lethargic, tired and it's not anemia, you better brace yourself that it's cancer. I saw this happen 2xs. My BF and my young daughter - both healthy people started running out of steam. Got very lethargic and tired. Tom was diagnosed w/Multiple Myeloma and yrs later daughter diagnosed w/leukemia.... Tom passed away 2 yrs after diagnoses, but daughter is now cancer-free.........

From what I know of Cain, I like him, but don't understand how his colon cancer could have reached stage 4 w/o him having some idea that something was wrong....... that cancer is very treatable if diagnosed at the beginning...

Have a friend who was diagnosed w/colon and she wasn't even worried about it b/c her dr assured her it's the 1st stage - no problem. 20 yrs later, she's still healthy and cancer free........

 

Yeah let's.

Wait a minute . .. . the GOP and the conservative noise machine is agaisnt that. I sense some cognitive dissonance here.

 

Yep, and the for-profit system is the problem -- it doesn't insure them because it can't make money on them.