How did Herman Cain get stage IV cancer?

Booga booga boo! The moonbats are nutso tonight!

 

Who comes up with this stuff? The progression of cancer through the stages is often rapid and frequently kills patients before they get the full treatment. My best friend got a yearly colon scoping and 4 years ago was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer. If he had to say when it started, things started to get a little "weird" about 6 months prior, but there were no specific symptoms. He's alive because the non-profit medical provider is so good at taking care of people; if he had had to rely on the government system he'd be dead.

Please provide a study that shows that preventative definitively saves money, particularly in the area of cancer. Studies on the cost-effectiveness of screening for colon cancer versus treating cancer has been largely inconclusive, however, in order to be truly cost-effective, screenings can only be one once every 5 to 10 years depending on the type of screening. So there goes your theory that frequent screenings will save money. It may save lives, which is good, but it will drive up costs.

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Preventative medicine is useful for saving lives. That's why it's a popular choice. However, it's also expensive because more people undergo treatments and tests.

You don't "believe in America", you believe in government and the magical power of violence against your neighbors to enforce your preferences on them.

 

My friend got his scope every 2 years. In 2008 he was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer which had metastasized to his liver and lungs. It wasn't government medicine that saved him, that's for sure, but, ironically, it was a not-for-profit HMO that did a fine job.

People who think that every human is the same and all cancer acts exactly like all other cancer are idiots.

 

Do you want insurance or a health plan? Why not let people choose. I would be fine to have healthcare insurance that covered me only in the event of an unexpected problem. The routine maintenance I can pay for myself. However, in many states that choice does not exist as healthcare providers are loaded down with mandates.

Insurance is indemnity against unexpected loss. It is not "maintenance."

If you want preventative care, it's not expensive. First, start by eating healthy, getting regular exercise, and avoid high risk activities. Then, find clinics in your area that take cash or credit or have small pay as you go type discount plans. A routine physical with a real doctor can cost you less than $300 (the cost of my doctor, who was educated at Harvard, has been in practice for 40 years and works in one of the wealthiest areas in Northern California) and the tests that you might need will not be all that expensive.

It's cadillac healthcare plans that people expect to take care of every little ailment that drive up costs. Give those up, get real insurance that covers you if your expenses go over several thousand dollars (ie. cancer or a bad accident or heart disease) or as close as you can get to it and not only will you save money but you'll probably get better care as a cash payer.

 

You cannot take Cain seriously. The man is running for President and will say almost anything that is not illegal in order to get elected. Most American's can see through his facade which is one reason why he'll never be on the Republican party ticket.

 

Its those little ailments that can become major ailments if not addressed at an early stage, thus driving up the costs of medical care and in many cases can cause death if not caught in time.

 

Tag team fear of conservative black men. What a bunch of racists.

 

Waiting for a month for a screening colonoscopy is very reasonable. It's medicine not ordering a pizza. There is no increase in morbidity or mortality if you have to wait a month for a screening colonoscopy.

This attitude that I must simply have the latest and greatest at the push of a button instantaneously is what is bankrupting our system. No medical professional is would call a four week wait for a screening colonoscopy a dire problem that needs to be fixed.

Where do you guys get this stuff?

And yes in order for your wild conclusions in your posts to be valid we need all or at least most of the information. No one can tell if you got the appropriate level of care if you do not quantify the level of bleeding. Most 35 year olds that have anal bleeding do not need a colonoscopy. Frankly I would hazard to guess most don't need to see a doctor. They just need to stop eating Godfather's Pizza and try a salad and whole grain bread once in awhile... you know like what Michelle Obama has been telling people. Failing that then yes the level of care should be elevated.

 

I don't disagree that they can cause death, and for that reason preventative medicine is a good idea. However, preventative care is not necessarily cost effective when attempting to reduce overall healthcare costs for the entire population.

The studies are there, if you are willing to look them up. I firmly believe in preventative medicine, but not as a cost savings mechanism for healthcare. It is certainly a cost saver for those individuals who would otherwise get cancer.

 

Well first of all I just want to say sorry to hear about your mother. And frankly I do not wish ill upon Cain as far as his health and general well being go. I think it is actually positive that there is someone that has had his diagnosis that is running for president. Stage IV colon cancer is a serious thing but you shouldn't just abandon all hope. I am truly grateful that we have the tools to help people with this diagnosis.

Now having said that I don't mean to be crass but I just have to say I cannot compare your mother's situation to Cain's situation without more background. As mentioned in the Tony Snow example if she had a strong family history or complicating factors such as UC or familial adenomatous polyposis then the screening procedures and disease course are going to be very different. In general colon cancers are slow growing so an initial presenting diagnosis of stage IV colon cancer when rigorous screening is followed is not the norm. It is within the realm of possibility but when I hear stage IV colon cancer the first questions I ask are was this person adequately screened, does this person have a strong family history, and does this person have UC, familial adenomatous polyposis, etc.

Sometimes people do not have strong risk factors and are adequately screened and still have an initial presentation of stage IV cancer. No one is saying that's not possible. I am just a bit incredulous about Cain and I wonder why given his pronouncements about health care he hasn't been quizzed on this point. If he thinks Obama has wrong ideas about health care Cain should be asked if he took care of his personal responsibilities and got screened easily and cheaply.

Most people that have stage IV colon cancer have not adequately adhered to a rigorous screening regime. Not all... but most. Unless of course there are some complicating circumstance as was discussed.

 

It depends on the measures and the degree of intensity. Furthermore you have to look at total costs for society. If we eliminated people being overweight and obese our cost savings would not just be medical. I saw a report that airlines were using more fuel because passengers are heavier. Our poor health is costing us in so many ways. When a 50 year old man with a wife and kids dies young then we lose a productive tax payer AND now we have a widow drawing social security checks.



Bizarre but true. Our libertarian I'm going to do whatever I want because its constitutional and doesn't hurt anyone else society keeps getting debunked by science and FACTS. We can all think we live on an individual islands and our individual decisions no matter how irresponsible don't affect anyone else but in fact they do.

 

I asked for a study, not an opinion. You said that republicans are anti-science, and they often are, but does it make you pro-science to speculate on something when the studies clearly do not support your assertions?

Does that mean being overweight is immoral?

What a weird contradiction you present. It's wrong to be individualistic, because it affects others, but you assert a right not to be affected by others. Oh well, I'm not surprised, logical consistency is not strong with collectivists. So, where are the studies that preventative medicine leads to significant cost reductions?

 

People who criticize Herman Cain are racists.

 

Right; someone doesn't agree with you and it automatically makes them racist; nice try. Fail.

 

Obama sycophants have been pulling that act for years. Why is it suddenly noneffective?

 

You read that whole post and the attached article and that's the conclusion you came to?! Your thought process is bizarre.

 

Again your thought process is bizarre. All I said was sometimes we think our individual actions are not affecting other people when they actually are. I gave the example of obesity. Pretty straight forward. What are you having a problem understanding?

 

Did you read his initial post?

 

Obviously.

 

Is the New England Journal of Medicine a sufficiently prestigious medical journal? Its the best I could do on short notice.



The authors feel colorectal cancer screening is a cost saver. I wish Herman Cain got that message. Thank you for posting.

 

You forgot to add the word "not".

 

According to the PPACA, Colonoscopies and several other screening procedures are now available with no copays, no deuctables and no maximums...

They're not free, but many of the roadblocks have been removed...

Cain was wrong because he's basically playing the "death panels" card, which has been recognized as a lie. The biggest change from Obamacare is that many, many more people now have access to health insurance (private health insurance, that is,) and are far more likely to avail themselves of this procedure.

 

Oh, I do so like women stating what men do.

Inphormer: "I was shocked by Herman Cain's irresponsible comment that he would have died if the president's health care plan was implemented. This is just the latest example of a Republican presidential candidate attacking science."

I wish I'd been shocked at Inphormers comment. Unfortunately, it's par for the course. Why was his comment irresponsible? It certainly isn't anti-science.

Liberals trot out the same old themes when they have nothing substantive to say. Socialized medicine has long waiting lists for seeing specialists. That doesn't bode well for cancer patients but liberals want them to die quickly to save money for the medical system anyway. And of course, the anti-science liberals don't see the long delays as a problem.

 

I will change my mind as soon as anyone shows me a government run program that cost less than estimated or under . History and past practices tells me that it will be even more costly than private insurance

 

Same place were cain got his when he said with obama care he would be dead.

The story is as stupid as the hpv vaccine story of bachmann