If outlawed, would you give up your guns?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The regulations put into place are most often ignored and not enforced. We see that in Chicago where stop and frisk is overturned due to left wing political correctness. Though they have the toughest gunlaws, they have a leftist government and the highest murder rate in America. Perhaps your leftist ideology should be taken to Australia or Norway.....your choice. I don't see you using statistics of Israel in your comparisons to promote outlawing individual gun ownership.
     
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    They have a high rate of murder because of gangs and drugs. That is a totally separate issue from mass shootings. You can't compare or include it in this discussion, to do so is fallacious. To blame it on the left is ludicrous. Right wingers blame every problem on earth on the left: you have no credibility when you do that.
     
  3. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those gangs and drugs are far more responsible for gun deaths than mass shootings. No comparison. The morality of mankind is the issue, not guns. You leftist ideology ignores that rather completely.
     
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    They may be responsible for more deaths, but they are not the issue. Mass shootings are the issue.To say it is okay to continue to allow mass shootings because there are more deaths in inner cities is wong. It's saying two wrongs make a right. It is saying we should do nothing about mass shootings. That's soulless and despicable.

    Gangs and drugs are a different issue to deal with, another problem, not the same problem. You don't ignore the mass shootings because there are gang wars in inner cities.
     
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    The desire to kill is the impetus for owning a gun.
    Man's morality.
     
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    These FBI stats are from 2014 but are interesting:

    "Among the roughly 6,000 cases in which the race of the victim and the offender were known, the number of blacks killed by blacks rose to 2,380 last year, an increase of about 8 percent from 2014."

    Black murderers (of other blacks) are overrepresented in the stats. I don't know why. If it were a racial thing, they'd be killing more whites, but they aren't.

    Also I don't know what percent of those 2380 murders were by firearm ....

    There are pathologies in the black communities that I'm guessing are complex. Fewer fathers, more poverty, over indulgent mother's, drugs (?)

    That said, mass murderers in rhe USA are usually white males, killing other whites, except for the 2 or 3 Muslims in the last 2 years.
     
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  7. yabberefugee

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    It is the same lack of morality and respect for the individual that fumes drug and gang violence as the mass shootings. If you disarm the populace, only gangs and drug Lords will have guns. You attack inanimate things like guns, because you don't want to face the real problem....that is the narcissitic society we live in which I do not intend to live in unarmed.AND, I am not a threat to anyone.
     
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    Well, excuse me, but I disagree. There are wide swathes of gun infested-areas of the country, especially in the south, where decades have gone by with no mass shootings or even murders.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, gun sales are on the rise, but crime is decreasing.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is completely aburd. As if guns put murder in the hearts of humankind. I believe Cain killed Able with a rock. It stemmed from there.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's as if mankind suddenly became mentally nuetral, guns would go on a killing spree.......completely absurd.
     
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    Crime rates have plunged since the mid-‘90s. After rising sporadically from the early ‘60s onwards, crime rates reached unprecedented peaks in the ‘80s and early ‘90s. It wasn’t until 1995 that crime’s climb gave way to decades of decline. As of 2013, the rate of violent crime victimization, as measured by the U.S. National Victimization Survey, is down 71% from its peak in 1994. --Forbes


    But ...

    The unpublished Harvard/Northeastern survey result summary, obtained exclusively by the Guardian and the Trace, estimates that America’s gun stock has increased by 70m guns since 1994. At the same time, the percentage of Americans who own guns decreased slightly from 25% to 22%.

    -- Guardian


    Should be noted that people who already own guns are buying more guns. (You need at least 8).
     
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    Gang and drug violence has to do with poverty, lack of education and options, living in ghettos, etc. It's not a leftist issue, not an issue of morality or respect. Get yourself educated.
     
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    There are options: don't do drugs, don't sell drugs, and don't shoot anybody.
     
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    Does he think Germany bombed Pearl Harbor???
     
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    That identifies you as an elitist Progressive. Always attack the education of another who opposes your leftist social engineering. Your education is only "indoctrination" into the idea mankind is not responsible for his shortcomings.....blame it on inanimate objects like environment or guns. So you try to promote the idea that gang members, drug lords, yes, and even mass shooters show respect and have moral values.....the guns and their environment makes them do that! Unfortuneatly those with your ideas have run the public education process for better than a generation.
     
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    Easy to say if you weren't born and raised in the ghetto. Easy to say.
     
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    I am not going to post data for every year - that's pointless.

    And I gave you the link to all the data from the AUS govt. I've given you the link before, and you have seen the data. Stop playing games.
     
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    The statistics from the AUS Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports prove you wrong. Crime increased, and increased a lot. I posted the link to the actual data. Stop fooling yourself.
     
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    Gun control has NEVER worked.

    Maybe you'd be happier in Europe.
     
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    If I had just posted that insult, they would have banned me. How can you hold a conversation if you don't understand satire? Ooops. That might be against the rules for me to say.
     
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    Except in Japan. LOL
     
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    The question is "fair", but it is such a wildly unlikely 'hypothetical' that we might as well be asked to respond to a question like, "If aliens from outer space landed on Earth tomorrow and demanded for humans to perform oral-sex on them, would you pucker up?" Actually, the appearance of sex-starved aliens from space is a far greater likelihood than the United States of America being willing to throw out the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution! :roll:
     
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    And I was within the rules as I was asking for clarification and begging that the impression you left me was not true
     
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    Answer is easy. Line up your sex starved earthlings. Lots of them in aged care facilities.............
     
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    Worked in Australia and there are articles galore out there about what we did.

    Mostly because we went from 13 mass shootings over 18 years to one in 22 years
     
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