If outlawed, would you give up your guns?

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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In your country I'm sure that's true, tovarish, but in the US it's not true.
     
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    Well, it's almost a moot point. Even if they confiscated half of them, we'd be left with over 100 million guns. If they got another half, private machinists would be busy in their basements making as many as they could sell.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    What?
     
  4. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's not in the US nor a US citizen.
     
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    I disagree.

    In my lifetime this country outlawed fully automatic weapons for civilian use. They could not cite one single, solitary case wherein a legally held fully automatic weapon had been used in a crime.

    Then, they did the same thing with the AK 47 that is being done with the AR 15 rifles and George Bush prohibited the future importation of semi-automatics from being imported. That even includes the antiquated .45 caliber 8 shot Norinco 1911 A1.

    We have an import ban on American made weapons that are legally sold by the government to the people through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. These weapons consist mostly of M1 Garands, M1 carbines and the .45 caliber 8 shot 1911 pistol.

    They government has outlawed many shotguns from being imported into this country.

    Now they want the AR 15 which is a large chunk of the existing market. And what the average person does not understand is that ANY semi-automatic weapon is capable of holding a large capacity magazine.

    Unless / until the right wakes up and quits taking this right for granted, you are in jeopardy of losing it. And if you won't take proactive steps today, will you really fight for your gun rights in the future when this current generation of brain dead, liberal zombies who are being programmed, Pavlovian style, begin turning 18 and are on a mission to make America a third world cesspool and disarming you?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Are you truly trying to argue that the subjects of the most Sovereign Elizabeth II are any less free than the citizens of the United States? Are you seriously asserting that the unfortunate citizens of Belarus are freer than the subjects of Margrethe II of Denmark?

    People might argue that I am derailing the thread here but maybe this is the whole thing. The present occupant of our Highest Office got there by disenfranchising 3 million of our citizens and quite probably with the aid of a criminal conspiracy led by a cabal of hostile foreign spies. Yet you are trying to argue that the subjects of the British Empire, still the main exemplar of a nation made up of free men, are somehow less free than we are because of a completely meaningless word?

    You espouse the silly and infantile fantasy that we are a free people because we are heavily armed with weapons our Army could actually take from us in a thrice if they really wanted to; yet you permit, even may support, a Chief Executive who threatens the most fundamental REAL freedom we have, the right to vote and to have that vote count.

    I'm sorry, but it's still my belief that the Founding Fathers would horsewhip most conservatives in the street were they ever able to see what these ignoramuses have done with their creation
     
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    I believe that the Republic hangs on by a thread. It is my belief that the leadership on both sides of the aisle is ignorant, self serving, and oblivious as to what is going on around them. They cannot be trusted and they aren't to be looked upon as God.

    Any intelligent and honest person realizes that our country was founded by hard learned lessons about the relationships between government and those they supposedly serve. Most people on these threads know the truth, but prefer the divisiveness of misrepresenting each other's views for fun and games.

    If the rest of the world had what the United States had, they wouldn't be up in our business, trying to tell us how to run our internal affairs. As America rejects its constitutional status, I'd say we're less free than even those who prefer to be ruled by Kings, Queens, Lords, Princes, and tyrants.

    We are no longer controlled by the Constitution, but by corporate interests. Still, we have unalienable Rights according to the Constitution. But freedom isn't free and those unalienable Rights come at the price of maintenance. Maintaining those Rights means we should be lobbying for them and advocating for them, not just pecking on our keyboards.

    But, when you lack the means to defend your Life, Liberty and Property, you are little more than a serf - a slave. You may have the trimmings of being "free," but when the government can take from its citizenry and citizens have no ultimate recourse, you are not free. When other governments are willing to threaten you and cause you to have to fight internal wars, you are not free.

    Our Freedom and Liberty allowed us to be the greatest nation in the annals of history. That is why most want us gone. The jealousy is too obvious. Otherwise, those of you who pretend that you're better than us would allow the Americans to work out their own problems. America fought against the British, kicked their ass, and founded a better form of government. If our people would quit retreating from victory and take it back again, we would not be on our way down the tubes to be as miserable as the rest of the world.
     
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  8. Max Rockatansky

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    When you have to kneel to a King or Queen, yes.
     
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    Of course we can't do nothing while the tyrants try to disarm us. It stands to reason that as long we remain civil, law abiding, engaged in the courts and forums in defense of liberty and truth, with the Constitution as our ally we will prevail on that front. That's why I said that only an outside physical effort to defeat our military and then the people would be the only way to disarm us.
     
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    As citizens, we should be willing and actually doing things to help legislators pass legislation that would reduce gun violence without gun control.
     
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    Yeah, I thought so. More nonsense.

    You've said that number of times, and you've been wrong every time. You have yet to provide any support for your position that a state must hold an election to determine who its electors will vote for. If you look at the election results up to and through 1860 you see a number of instances where no vote of the people was held.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I agree, the problem is that the NRA and other gun advocates are constantly telling us the only thing that can be done is to get used to having our children and others being randomly killed by madmen every so often
     
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    At least you admit that those Democrats in Congress are just clowns proposing legislation that can not possibly pass, relying upon the utter stupidity of most Democrats in their districts to fall for their worthless grandstanding.
     
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    No, that is the Democratic Party's open policy - to demand that children the government takes into custody in public schools are advertised as defenseless.
     
  15. JakeJ

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    The Democratic Party does not care how many people are reaped, beaten, victimized or even murdered, as long as it was not done with a legal firearm. Its ok if no done with a firearm or done with an illegal firearm.
     
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    What guns? No doubt someone is spreading false propaganda if anyone would believe I own or ever owned firearms, and if I did, they were lost or sold hours ago...
     
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    So, maybe you should forget the NRA and ask yourself who is lobbying for a solution the NRA won't spend a time to oppose.
     
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    What country has reduced gun deaths by reducing psychotropics?
     
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    What country has not?

    Gun control does not save lives.
     
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    So pick one. Love to see the evidence. LOL
     
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    Oh oh oh!! Let me guess

    Oz of course. Not the land down under but the one over the rainbow:p
     
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    If the burglar is armed, that could be the last thing you say. The worst thing to tell a criminal is that you know who they are. That means you can ID them.
     
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    Why can't you make a point w/o the use of statements you know are not true?
     
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What solution is that?
    So, what statements about how to end these massacres ARE the NRA making?
     
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    I'm sorry -- you'll need to show where the NRA has constantly told us the only thing that can be done is to get used to having our children and others being randomly killed by madmen every so often.
     

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