If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

Yes. Vaccinated people who don't follow the guidelines are at fault too. Anybody who doesn't follow the guidelines is culpable of keeping this pandemic alive. If that was your point I agree. But this thread is about this... made up... "right" to infect others with a deadly virus. Do you or do you not have anything to say about that?

If not, then we can leave it there....

 

Your "No," is good enough for me.

 

No. Their stupidity is not even debatable. The thread topic is what those governors use as an excuse for their idiotic policies. Read the OP!

 

Too late! I'm done with my quota for the day of explaining the OP to people who refuse to read it.

 

Your OP says absolutely nothing about governors. Maybe you should read your own OP. It’s nothing but a rant about the people who are not vaccinated, and your misinterpretation of the constitution.

No where in the constitution does it grant the authority of forced medical care to the federal government. If people want to refuse the vaccine it’s totally within their rights. It doesn’t mean they’re spitting on your door handle. You’re treating the act of breathing as if it’s the governments right to restrict. It’s a natural right to breath, cough, sneeze, sniffle. It’s a natural human response to disease that even the vaccinated have. No one is intentionally infecting anyone.

 

Let me help you out.

The reality is there is no reasonable method to knowing how many people who are vaccinated have gotten covid. none. All we know for sure is that people who have been vaccinated can carry the virus with the same viral load and it may (or may not) be for a shorter time. But since the likelihood of people vaccinated to having a mild or no symptoms due to covid, we simply do not know how many vaccinated are currently running around with the damn virus without knowing it.

Your precious CDC even states this much.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

"The number of COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC are an undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons, especially of asymptomatic or mild infections. National surveillance relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data are not complete or representative. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases."

Let me dumb this statement down for you;

It means there is no way to know how many vaccinated people are infected or who get infected with covid as the data for such cases are more likely voluntary and as such the number of breakthrough infections is UNDER ESTIMATED.

Now that I've educated you on this situation. You may go now.

 

Hmmm. No reference to governors in the OP…

Here’s something for you to chew on. You say if you refuse the vaccine you don’t matter. Then you say it’s the people that they infect that matter. Many of those people are also unvaccinated, so to you they matter and don’t matter at the same time! Golem logic.

You also claimed the right to spread deadly diseases is the topic but you still won’t explain why you want to exclude all but Covid. Please clarify this point.

 

So the people that are infected by vaccinated people deserve to die?

 

When he’s stumped he always claims that it’s off topic.

 

I’m not obsessed with obesity. I believe people have the right to put or not put food in their bodies and exercise or not exercise. Unlike you I don’t believe obese people are only useful in death like you believe unvaccinated are only useful in death.

You brought up infectious diseases. I am talking about obesity being one of those and how we don’t wish death on the obese or talk about forcing them to exercise or eat celery. YOU brought up infectious disease and nobody having the right to infect others. But we do. Always have and always will. It’s not humanly possible to ever take that right away. You would have to eliminate all pathogens first.

You claimed to be an adult in the OP. Act like one.

 

Are you in the habit of jumping into discussions without first finding out what they are about?

 

Ah, the old pseudoscience claim. LOL. The problem is pseudoscience is easily countered with real science. And you always end up with no empirical evidence and I end up with all the empirical evidence in support of my posts. Like this thread where you invoke science but don’t know obesity is contagious or referred to as a disease.

Why open a new thread? Everything I’ve posted here is on topic. It just eviscerates your OP. Sorry.

 

Quote your OP where it mentions governors. I’m really concerned for your mental health.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ect-that-matter.592163/page-5#post-1072948081

 

You're not obsessed with obesity. You just can't stop talking about it in a thread that has nothing to do with obesity.

At least you're funny. Even though I'm sure you don't realize it.

 

Not as much as I'm concerned about your reading comprehension skills... or lack thereof.

 

Golem, your first reference to governors was to ME on page 4 of the thread.

I’m open to you quoting yourself referring to governors before then in this thread…Go!

 

Do I actually need to read the post to you? This thread is NOT about governors. It's about the idiotic EXCUSE that is used by your fellow anti-vaxers like, for example, governor DeSantis and others.

Next time please read more carefully so I don't have to go back and explain it to you. This is not third grade anymore, you know.

 

Any bets he avoids that question like Biden avoids the mic?

 

Did you make these posts?

You introduced infectious disease to the thread. I showed you obesity is in fact one of those infectious diseases. So it most certainly is relevant to the thread.

Thank you for the compliment and the thinly veiled ad hominem.

 

When I said this:

You said this:

If what YOU post isn’t the subject of the thread how in Hades are we supposed to know what is? If what you post isn’t the subject then DON’T POST IT.

 

so are we all now on the same understanding that this thread is not about governors?

 

Evidence I’m not derailing the thread and my posts are not off topic—-I’m not being ignored!!

LOL

 

LOL. He’ll just call me a pseudoscientist snd claim HIS posts are not the subject of the thread.

 

Do they? Currently in America this is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Across the states ICU a beds are filling fast now ICU a care is EXPENSIVE - who pays for that?