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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    Beech? Oh, you're trying to be cool with name calling and you mean Clinton.

    She and her husband gave decades of their tax returns. Nobody had to demand them.
     
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    And why wouldn't they? The returns "proved" they weren't crooks..... Which is kind of funny, now that the foundation is having to scale back, lay folks off as the "donations" dry up. See, that pay for play stuff just doesn't work if folks know you can't then play.

    Honestly, I couldn't care less about the returns. I didn't care about them for the O, I certainly don't care about them now. This is one of those "issues" that is designed to distract rather than actually advance anything, complete waste of time, as it were. Why not focus on the real stuff?

    I recall the lengths to which you defended the O against the birth certificate. I recall you having made the same argument about it being a waste of time. Funny that...
     
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    Trump will release his tax returns about the same time Hillary turns over the 30,000 deleted emails.
     
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    Question:

    Is by US law an impeachment of a President possible, because he is an idiot?
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    All the tax returns in the world weren't going to change what we already knew from the Clintons' 1996 campaign, the campaign they funded by selling influence to China, Korea, Canada, etc. From the article, they weren't good at being crooked.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/21/nation/na-fec21
     
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    Obama's birth certificate was a waste of time. I am also less concerned about his last tax return but will definitely want a look at his next one. Calling for his last helps set the tone for checking his next one because frankly I take him at his word when he says he expects to make money from his public "service". If his decision making process includes "how can I make money on this?" then we should know about it when he does.
     
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    An interesting standard. Were you concerned, at all that the O was "making money on this" when he was in office? Nah. I think not. The Clintons parlayed 8 years into multi-billionaire status, were you concerned?

    How about this as a standard then. If his policy improves the economic condition of the country, and that likely improves his own portfolio, should we demand that he doesn't? Are you that selfish to demand that the rest of the economy not be improved just so he doesn't potentially make money? I'd call that myopic at best.
     
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    Yes, if he declared mentally incapacitated by his cabinet the vice president takes over. Not technically an Impeachment, rather a temporary or permanent removal and a challenge by the president requires a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress to uphold the cabinet's decision.
     
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    I'm certain that if I started a petition for Hillary to release the deleted emails, I could get a few million signatures.
     
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    Thanks ...

    Then is still hope left. Why?
    Because Trump reacts so thin-skinned on critics like now with number of people issue and many times before ... I'm really scared how he will react if any other country is showing him the border lines of US power. Will he sent his "press reviewer troll" in front to attack them same way as his enemy no. 1 = media?
    Trump throws a already complicated world with his ignorance about things in the skidding ... and the White House is actually not an educational institution for presidents. There should already be people who know that the world does not work with accountable balance sheets and EBIT!
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this the same IRS that spent our tax dollars on star trek parody productions?
     
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    I agree with you that Congress should pass a law requiring Presidential candidates to release their tax returns. Waiting on Congress to do so will not solve this problem and the potential corruption we face now though. Even public opinion isn't going to force Trump to release his taxes. A lawsuit might though, and one has been filed.

    The founding fathers did foresee this kind of situation, and the emoluments clause was intended to prevent it. They didn't have the IRS, but we do. It has taken a situation like Trump's to figure out that the emoluments clause and the IRS should be linked. How do you enforce the emoluments clause, if you don't know the extent of his foreign investments and interests? If there is no way to enforce the emoluments clause, then Trump is free to take foreign money, and the strings that may come with it (read that as "corruption,") with impunity. The only way to know the extent of his foreign ties is through his tax return.
     
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    I'm assuming that is a typo, the Clintons are far from being multi-billionaires. The Clintons, like all ex presidents, first ladies and Secretaries of state, command huge speaking fees. Theirs will pale next to what Obama will get paid. I'm talking about where does the money come from while in office and are decisions being made simply to make a personal profit. We've seen their tax returns for before during and after being in office, we know where their money came from. Just like we know Obama made his money off T-bills, writing books and a Nobel prize which he donated to charity. Nothing to see there. We have a potential Treasury secretary that bought stock in a company then a week later introduced legislation that greatly benefited that specific company. We know about it because he had to make financial disclosures including tax returns. With Trump that type of activity could soar to unimaginable heights. If sanctions are lifted on Russia and a new golf course goes in in Moscow I want to know.
     
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    Whom would you foresee as being able to pass such a bill and get it signed?
     
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    So if Trump just seal his records like the communist Barry did you all will love him right?
     
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    Not defending Clinton, but all of her emails have been released, including the ones that were deleted. I'll remind you that the Patriot Act allowed the NSA to collect every email, text message, and phone call inside the USA during the period she was SOS. The FBI was able to recover them and has released them publicly. They are available on Wikileaks, in a searchable database. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
     
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    I have zero confidence that Congress will address this issue at all, unless there is sufficient public outcry. In this divisive political climate, I don't see that happening. That's why I think it will take a lawsuit, and a legal precedent, to get anything accomplished in this situation. A law should be made, but that doesn't mean one will.
     
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    Trump wasn't employed by the government until Friday anything before that day was done as a private citizen. The emoluments clause wouldn't apply to his past taxes.

    I do find it interesting that the left is finally worried about conflicts of interest.
     
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    I'm going on a limb here and guessing you mean President Obama. Do tell, what has he sealed? While you're at it, where do you get that he's a communist?
     
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    False, crazed accusations against all liberals have been pretty common place the past 8 years... and they won't stop now. Trump will continue the tactic.

    Its not good, but I don't think anything can stop it. .. We still have birthers.. They are still accusing Americans of being queer or Muslim or Communists or pedophiles.

    Still have Trump as name caller in chief.
     
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    Tell me how anyone will know whether the emoluments clause is being violated or not, without knowing the extent of Trump's foreign interests and investments… made before he was President? Are you seriously OK with not knowing if our President is violating the emoluments clause or if he has conflicts of interest in business dealings? Are you OK with our President potentially making deals with foreign countries that enrich himself with impunity, even when the founding fathers made an attempt to prevent it?

    Everyone that is to the left of the far right isn't the "left." Everyone concerned about potential conflicts of interest isn't the "left." I'm unsure why you added that line, but I'll otherwise let that pass.
     
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    Root For America:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkwFBWPNwcI

    Here's a classmate of Obama's at Columbia who never knew him and doesn't know anyone in his class at Columbia who knew Obama. Same year, same major.
     
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    Was he employed by the government before Friday? No he wasn't, there is no law that gives you or anyone else's the right to his taxes. Push for changes in the law if that is your desire but as it stands Trump has no obligation to show anyone anything. My personal feelings on it doesn't matter, Trump isn't going to do something just because it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy
     
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    NCIC, I like that.
     
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    You are 8 years behind.. That video was one of those pathetic hoaxes.. proven a liar years ago.
     

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